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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Contributing LLVM.org patches to gud.el
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 03:29:18 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87siebm1a9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83h9ur5bta.fsf@gnu.org>

Eli Zaretskii writes:

 > Well, others don't.

Of course.  I don't deny that my personal tastes and needs are
personal.

 > And if LLDB never implements those, I don't think
 > we need to worry about it ever becoming a contender.

*shrug* You can prune that fork, and start worrying.

 > LLDB doesn't even _have_ a manual.  So much for its
 > discoverability.

It hasn't yet occurred to me to look for one.  Not so, GDB.

 > I don't think LLDB is targeting some "downmarket", they target the
 > same population of software developers as GDB.  You and Stefan and me
 > and all of us here.

You are obviously out of my league.  Dunno about where Stefan plays
but he claims not to be missing any of those features you consider
essential in a modern debugger.  I really don't think it's useful to
talk about "one population" here.

 > And if GDB stagnates and LLDB (or some other package) surpasses it,
 > then I'll agree that supporting a better contender becomes an
 > important goal of Emacs.

Hmm.  So David's right about you being in partial opposition to
Richard on these things.

 > You seem to see some ominous signs in what Richard wrote, but I
 > don't.  Having known Richard for many years, having met him face to
 > face several times, and yes, having sparred with him on a few
 > occasions, I see no conclusions here to be drawn that go beyond
 > this specific issue.

Oh, there are no omens here, just the same old same old.  I drew my
conclusions a decade or more ago; I'm just hoping to be proved wrong.
I guess I have to keep hoping.




  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-12 18:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-05  7:46 Contributing LLVM.org patches to gud.el Andrew L. Moore
2015-02-05  8:53 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-05 14:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-06 12:41 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-06 12:49   ` David Kastrup
2015-02-06 18:21     ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-06 19:00       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-07  8:46         ` Helmut Eller
2015-02-07 10:18           ` David Kastrup
2015-02-07 11:42             ` Helmut Eller
2015-02-07 11:53               ` David Kastrup
2015-02-09  0:06             ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09  3:27               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-15 22:50                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-16  5:19                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-16 16:23                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 11:21               ` David Kastrup
2015-02-09 14:21                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-09 22:07                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 23:59                     ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10  2:40                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-10  3:52                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-10  8:59                         ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 16:00                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-10 16:41                             ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 16:58                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-11  3:43                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-11  3:47                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2015-02-11 10:37                                     ` David Kastrup
2015-02-11 10:51                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2015-02-11 13:22                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-11 16:07                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-12 16:26                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-12 17:42                                               ` Daniel Colascione
2015-02-12 20:15                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-11 15:54                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-11 23:12                                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-11 15:42                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-11 15:41                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-12  4:20                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-12 11:23                                       ` David Kastrup
2015-02-12 13:13                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-12 15:52                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-11  4:26                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-11  7:44                                 ` Nicholas Allegra
2015-02-11 15:43                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-11 16:21                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-11 16:27                                     ` David Kastrup
2015-02-11 16:42                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-12  5:41                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-12 16:33                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-12 18:29                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2015-02-12 17:34                                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-10 17:03                         ` David Engster
2015-02-10 17:18                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-10 17:36                             ` David Engster
2015-02-10 19:15                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-10 20:25                                 ` David Engster
2015-02-10 22:49                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-11 10:35                                 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-11 23:12                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-10 18:07                             ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 19:21                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-10 20:33                           ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-11 23:08                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 16:08                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-09 22:08                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 20:00               ` Florian Weimer
2015-02-07 14:46           ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-07 22:40         ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-07 23:04           ` David Kastrup
2015-02-08  0:15           ` Eric S. Raymond
2015-02-08  0:51             ` David Kastrup
2015-02-09 20:04             ` Perry E. Metzger
2015-02-10 22:49               ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-11 16:17                 ` Perry E. Metzger
2015-02-11 23:13                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-11 23:37                     ` Perry E. Metzger
2015-02-12 11:22                       ` David Kastrup
2015-02-12 14:45                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-12 17:34                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-13 10:11                       ` Tom
2015-02-13 10:20                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-13 10:27                           ` Tom
2015-02-13 11:00                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-14 15:22                             ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-12 11:08                     ` David Kastrup
2015-02-14 15:22                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-11 23:13                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-12 10:28                     ` David Kastrup
2015-02-13  9:25                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 20:13             ` Florian Weimer
2015-02-10 22:49               ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-08  3:55           ` Liang Wang
2015-02-08  9:30             ` David Kastrup
2015-02-09  0:04             ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09  8:47               ` David Kastrup
2015-02-09 22:07                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 23:03                   ` David Kastrup
2015-02-11 23:09                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 16:15               ` Robin Templeton
2015-02-09 20:13                 ` Perry E. Metzger
2015-02-09 22:08                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-10  8:24                   ` Helmut Eller
2015-02-10  9:31                     ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 10:44                       ` Helmut Eller
2015-02-10 10:53                         ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 12:45                           ` Helmut Eller
2015-02-10 13:35                             ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 15:42                             ` Yann Hodique
2015-02-10 16:11                               ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 22:49                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-11 10:20                           ` David Kastrup
2015-02-11 15:16                             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-11 23:13                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 20:06               ` Florian Weimer
2015-02-09 20:34                 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 22:46                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-06 19:21       ` David Kastrup
2015-02-07  5:50       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-06 14:57   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-07 12:44     ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-07 14:48       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-07 22:41         ` Richard Stallman

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