From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: launch a program in an arbitrary frame Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 09:15:10 +0200 Message-ID: <87si8kvcsh.fsf@nl106-137-147.student.uu.se> References: <8xxwpxyducd.fsf@village.keycorner.org> <8xxr3o5ea34.fsf@village.keycorner.org> <8xxmvyte6ei.fsf@village.keycorner.org> <8xxa8utdsof.fsf@village.keycorner.org> <8xx615hdozz.fsf@village.keycorner.org> <99b286f3-e759-4bb3-a824-e92a9eaee29b@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1437290233 21464 80.91.229.3 (19 Jul 2015 07:17:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 07:17:13 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 19 09:17:05 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGiqO-00061T-MJ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 09:17:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50677 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGiqN-0006mG-Qz for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 03:17:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36991) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGiqD-0006mA-IF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 03:16:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGiqA-0000bf-BG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 03:16:53 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:36379) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGiqA-0000ba-4p for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 03:16:50 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGiq8-0005uX-4N for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 09:16:48 +0200 Original-Received: from nl106-137-156.student.uu.se ([130.243.137.156]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 09:16:48 +0200 Original-Received: from embe8573 by nl106-137-156.student.uu.se with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 09:16:48 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 50 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: nl106-137-156.student.uu.se Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:bYG1zncMAUd8fH2TCKSnQuLBHLQ= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:105841 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > Whatever they had was more than enough for running > Emacs, in my experience. Whether Sun, SGI, or > another brand. Other applications could sometimes > tax a workstation, but not Emacs. SGI = Silicon Graphics International? "Silicon Graphics International, formerly Rackable Systems, which acquired the former Silicon Graphics, Inc" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Graphics_International) > It wasn't a problem. At all. Do you remember it > being a problem to use Emacs on a workstation, or > are you just repeating something you heard? So far, > you've said that workstations were limited in > resources and Emacs was/is a memory hog. Do you > actually remember having a problem using Emacs on > a workstation in the 80s? It would be interesting to > hear from others too about this. It would be (even more) interesting if you told us more about those days and spent less an effort trying to bust the OP :) >> some people even felt that way about the then-new >> bash shell. > > X Window and bash are not Emacs. I can definitely see X being slow then as well as today, with graphics always being slow save for spoilt kids who run monster machines bought by their affluent but absent parents, only so the kids can play moronic FPSs and share porn... and besides (with X), that interesting but complicated distributed architecture won't win any horse races, I reckon. But bash?! For a shell to be slow, and to slow down the entire system, something has to be seriously wrong. Anyway, if there isn't a shell, and no GUI or base window system, how do you interact with the system? Or do you mean people who thought bash was too slow still had the hardware to run a predecessor shell - simply the Bourne shell, or perhaps [a]sh? -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573