From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Package initialization Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 12:51:13 +0200 Message-ID: <87si8ks9ni.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <87twt1dmxu.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87a8ustq9i.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87615gtpat.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <871tg4tosc.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1437303095 4522 80.91.229.3 (19 Jul 2015 10:51:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 10:51:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Stephen J. Turnbull" , Artur Malabarba , emacs-devel To: Helmut Eller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 19 12:51:34 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGmBx-0000eJ-Us for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 12:51:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51043 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGmBx-00024s-1t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 06:51:33 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41183) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGmBl-00024c-0z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 06:51:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGmBk-0001hK-2w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 06:51:20 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:49136) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGmBf-0001g9-Sj; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 06:51:15 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34722 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGmBf-0003TX-6X; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 06:51:15 -0400 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3A18FE0E09; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 12:51:13 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Helmut Eller's message of "Sun, 19 Jul 2015 12:41:57 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187984 Archived-At: Helmut Eller writes: > On Sun, Jul 19 2015, David Kastrup wrote: > >> Helmut Eller writes: >> >>> On Sun, Jul 19 2015, David Kastrup wrote: >>> >>>>;;;autoload (global-set-key (kbd "C-x c 5") 'foo-prefix-map) >>>> Is there any problem with that? >>> >>> Yes, some poeple like to set up keybdinings explicitly in .emacs and >>> don't want that merely installing a package changes global keybindings; >>> other people don't want to change their .emacs. >> >> Is there a particular point to you making me look up the information in >> the manual for you when all you wanted to state is that you want to have >> logically incompatible requirements supported? >> Are you getting paid for wasting people's time? > > If you don't understand the question then don't answer. To quote: Helmut Eller writes: > >>> On Sun, Jul 19 2015, Artur Malabarba wrote: >> >>>> lisp-mode-hook.=A0 In general, lazy initialization would also not >>>> work well if those autoloaded commands should be bound to keys >>>> because before the first invocation the keys would not be >>>> bound. >>> >>> If the user wants to bind an autoloaded command to a key, they >>> can do that just fine. >> >> How without adding something to .emacs? >> > You can autoload on a prefix keymap as well I think. So if some > bindings are to be present globally, you can do that without > preloading the package itself. Show me the code and where to put it. So I would strongly suggest to people they think twice before assuming anybody but yourself understands your "questions" when bothering to answer. --=20 David Kastrup