From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: plists, alists, and hashtables Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2015 13:21:08 -0400 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87si7vqakb.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <876150vwaa.fsf@mbork.pl> <873803x5q4.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87a8u7we9s.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <877fp8t9ru.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87h9ocm02t.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87h9obsv3z.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87y4hnlela.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87d1yzs5si.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87d1yzl3qz.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1438968329 10349 80.91.229.3 (7 Aug 2015 17:25:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 17:25:29 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 07 19:25:26 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNlOW-0003Qu-NS for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Aug 2015 19:25:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50077 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNlOV-0004ui-Tp for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Aug 2015 13:25:23 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!news.albasani.net!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 28 Original-X-Trace: news.albasani.net FIRjF69ro3dt9g7DSyB20UOksZq1kPmER9ovdQf2IeFT01ONvx31T6tNp+rhgP46SHofu7eXs+UYQ6kar/Whdg== Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 17:21:08 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: news.albasani.net; logging-data="1JwzbOVrFGak1UXPWD1EPcjofXw3oa/aay0tSFMA4cJ0c/B9Uo468COdDtN4HuS4xqU4chZxMMZ532iY2lYYIxCSVYhK1fJ+0crbLzS2ZlQz/wAbsznS8BAXbaQ6iSOv"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@albasani.net" User-Agent: Gnus/5.130012 (Ma Gnus v0.12) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Cancel-Lock: sha1:nYG2Up9mS3rpT4i9d+6cKlMtt3k= sha1:sKoYAWBdeSWniso07lNUl1g3Oe0= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:214040 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:106325 Archived-At: On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 12:35:01 -0400 Stefan Monnier wrote: >> Let me rephrase my question: is the work of reader macros already >> planned for the Emacs core as an incremental feature? SM> Check the emacs-devel mailing-list. It was discussed not very long ago SM> (a year or two, maybe?). I think you maybe mean this? https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-01/msg00618.html Started with "[PATCH] Clojure-like syntactic sugar for an anonymous function literal" I don't see an actual decision regarding reader macros, just a lot of discussion. Should I start a new thread? Or did you mean a different thread? On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 12:32:28 -0400 Stefan Monnier wrote: SM> I think what you're getting at is that (core) Lisp is somewhat SM> "untyped", so alists/plists can't be distinguished from other data built SM> using cons-cells: only the user knows whether that cons cells is meant SM> to be an alist or a plist or something else. Yes, thank you for stating it clearly. Pascal summarized why trying to hack around that is not a great idea. Ted