From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs rewrite in a maintainable language Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 07:27:38 +0200 Message-ID: <87si5aqd2t.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <561A19AB.5060001@cumego.com> <87io6dl0h0.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87lhb82qxc.fsf@gmail.com> <87oag4jk74.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87k2qrki45.fsf@wanadoo.es> <8737xf9je9.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87pp0fm0j3.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3kusx8z.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83lhb26eb9.fsf@gnu.org> <876126key3.fsf@gnu.org> <83fv1a6bfu.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1weo7u9.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445096706 1377 80.91.229.3 (17 Oct 2015 15:45:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 15:45:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?iso-8859-1?Q?Court=E8s?=) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 17 17:45:02 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnTfK-0001Rj-Jw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 17:45:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58787 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnTfJ-0002sr-Vh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 11:45:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44120) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnTei-00021W-K5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 11:44:25 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnTeh-0007gR-MF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 11:44:24 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56393) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnTef-0007e1-CV; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 11:44:21 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41976 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnTee-0000Dj-5N; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 11:44:20 -0400 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 60B61E18A7; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 07:27:38 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <87d1weo7u9.fsf@gnu.org> ("Ludovic =?iso-8859-1?Q?Court=E8s?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22's?= message of "Fri, 16 Oct 2015 22:51:26 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191840 Archived-At: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Court=E8s) writes: > Eli Zaretskii skribis: > >> In any case, Emacs can never be satisfied with the current Guile >> infrastructure for i18n. There are too many shortcomings, some of >> them were mentioned here. Yes, Guile can be fixed to be better in >> that area, but no one is working on that, AFAIK, and what's more >> important, lead Guile developers don't even agree Guile should move in >> that direction. (This especially puzzles me: to have a good example >> before you and not follow it? Emacs learned what it has now the hard >> way, have paid in blood, sweat and tears for that knowledge, and still >> Guile developers think they "know better"? Present parties excluded, >> of course.) > > My point is: Emacs can keep doing its own thing in that area. > > (And I would guess that neither C++, nor Lua, nor anything else would > provide an i18n infrastructure that would satisfy Emacs out-of-the-box.) Either of those at least get out of Emacs' hair, as would have GUILE=A01. But GUILE=A02 has a competing compulsory multibyte character concept. "So just switch everything to Latin-1 amounting to binary" you probably say. If it were that easy, there would be a GUILE=A02 version of LilyPond by now. --=20 David Kastrup