From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: lax matching is not a great default behavior Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2015 23:16:37 +0100 Message-ID: <87si3huaey.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: > <837fl2qzs2.fsf@gnu.org>> > > <83610ikvto.fsf@gnu.org>> > <83bna6ipn7.fsf@gnu.org>> <45e1580a-863c-4bd7-82ec-38c27a0d930e@default>> <831tb2ghkf.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1449267483 10888 80.91.229.3 (4 Dec 2015 22:18:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 22:18:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jwiegley@gmail.com, Eli Zaretskii , per@starback.se, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 04 23:17:57 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1a4yfs-0000KD-H6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 23:17:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43755 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a4yfr-000570-Jw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 17:17:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60511) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a4yff-00056h-0y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 17:17:43 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a4yfe-0007oo-1Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 17:17:42 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:58063) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a4yfc-0007ne-LR; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 17:17:40 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43640 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1a4yfU-0000ZC-EV; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 17:17:32 -0500 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 31710DF574; Fri, 4 Dec 2015 23:16:37 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 4 Dec 2015 13:30:16 -0800 (PST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:195904 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: >> > > No, because ignoring accents is just a small part of character >> > > folding. Please take a look at character-fold.el for the details. >> > >> > Agreed. And neither is it folding of diacriticals, because there >> > are also ad hoc foldings (e.g., quote marks). And there will >> > likely be more to come. It is, in fact, a hodge podge of foldings >> > - pretty much all of the various char foldings provided by Emacs >> > so far, except for letter case. >> >> Actually, it's not a hodge-podge at all. Barring any user-level >> customizations, it can be formally defined (and has been defined >> elsewhere) what is and what isn't folded. > > Whether it is formally defined or not does not answer the > question about the name to use for Emacs users. > > The behavior is a combination of diacritical folding and > some ad hoc foldings. Do you have a _specific_ name for it, > even one coming from the formal definition? And if so, is > that name a good one for Emacs users? > > AFAICT, "character folding" is as good as we've come up > with, so far - not some specific kind of character folding. How about "fuzzy matching"? -- David Kastrup