From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nils Gillmann Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: GNUS gnus-group-split .. my sorting is bad. Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 10:53:45 +0100 Message-ID: <87si0hyv2u.fsf@grrlz.net> References: <87si0hx4o9.fsf@grrlz.net> <874mcxtzzh.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1456394074 21702 80.91.229.3 (25 Feb 2016 09:54:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 09:54:34 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 25 10:54:16 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aYsch-0007yO-DH for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 10:54:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41723 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aYscg-0005pO-UW for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 04:54:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33494) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aYscK-0005iq-1F for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 04:53:55 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aYscF-0007jR-Vv for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 04:53:51 -0500 Original-Received: from perdizione.investici.org ([94.23.50.208]:30767) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aYscF-0007jD-IG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 04:53:47 -0500 Original-Received: from [94.23.50.208] (perdizione [94.23.50.208]) (Authenticated sender: niasterisk@grrlz.net) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2BE751201C1 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 09:53:46 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=grrlz.net; s=stigmate; t=1456394026; bh=XCLvsEpHzlVMZKahWQXD07fdJGyp62iuPWbxBEF35/I=; h=From:To:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=BhxylcpZpv6gy3xlJmqWOM++WRByuYid7Lwi68bxaAqj8GYu57PwZUvxMqyjBJosG NeoNDzN4TA/Jkelcqdp3oear3fM/vINlqAzk6kFKzdrT0Gtyiu+bD0FoMb9T16JZoF n5+xfJqfN5N+bJ62kaWqgQALQFPCurUozWMbMsCw= In-Reply-To: <874mcxtzzh.fsf@debian.uxu> (Emanuel Berg's message of "Thu, 25 Feb 2016 01:06:42 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 94.23.50.208 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:109308 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg writes: > Nils Gillmann writes: > >> I have a GNUS related question on mail-splitting. > > It isn't "GNUS" anymore but Gnus. > >> There are many lists I follow, and with the sorting >> method I picked at some time > > Don't do that with mailing lists directly: do that > with Gmane! This is the exact intended purpose of > Gmane and it works *great* - it is incomparably better > than splitting in every respect. Here's a question: why? What's the rational choice to favor gmane over subscribing to mailman at gnu.org for the Guix project and others I participate in? I get my mail via socksv5, including the mail from the lists, via a service which runs on a .onion.(*) I don't have a connection all time (but from my limited experience with Gnus and newsgroups a while back offline storage/cache is possible). For plain discussion I get it. For sending in patches etc I'm not sure (okay this is plain text too). I also have lists which are not on gmane or some other serverbased network with nntp access. for example local hackerspaces. Same issue applies here: message gets sends to the "announce" list and CC the "discuss" list, both end up in the list which comes first in my filters. (*) I am aware that it does not make email safer, but I have my reasons. > > So do: > > (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.gmane.org")) > > If you like, you can have other NNTP servers (e.g., > Usenet with nntp.aioe.org) and mail (nnml) as well: > > (require 'gnus-namazu) > (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml "" (nnir-search-engine namazu)) > (nntp "nntp.aioe.org") > (nntp "news.gwene.org") > (nntp "news.gnus.org") > )) > >> I now get email which is CC'ed or in any other way >> directed to more than one list I follow into one >> list folder only. This is not what I want. I think >> my way to think about sorting mail could be >> challenged with some input from others. > > When you have Gmane up and your previous lists working > as newsgroups, you can unsubscribe to them. If there > are 70+ that should be a challenge in itself. Some you > will be unable to unsubscribe to. Get a new mail > account, perhaps... I did change accounts before, changing email addresses at all of them works. > > But even if you do some people will still send you Cc > mails when they respond to your Gmane posts! That's the usual behavior on mosts lists (or how most people configure their mail agents) I am on, To: person you replying to, CC: list. > > So ironically, here splitting can be put to good use! > You can create a group "mail.ml-ooa" (mail list out- > of-action) and then: > > (setq nnmail-split-methods > '( > ("mail.ml-ooa" "\\(To\\|Cc\\):.*\\(emacs-w3m@namazu.org\\|help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org\\|gnuplot-info@lists.sourceforge.net\\)") > ("mail.misc" "")) ) In the whole picture - leaving aside the whole other issue with email in general, with an external service as gmane, etc - your recommendation looks good to me. It can be done for almost all lists I have, however I would still need a recommendation for the ones I can't apply it to. Take the CC and Cc out of the filters for lists? Thanks, -- ng irc://loupsycedyglgamf.onion:67/~NiAsterisk http://loupsycedyglgamf.onion/NiAsterisk/ torify telnet loupsycedyglgamf.onion