From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2016 15:32:12 -0600 Message-ID: <87si029dpf.fsf@red-bean.com> References: <56BE7E37.3090708@cs.ucla.edu> <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <64a52598-ad53-498c-993c-67d7827dbdfc@default> <838u1uuuau.fsf@gnu.org> <878u1um2xl.fsf@thinkpad.rath.org> <83egbmt2on.fsf@gnu.org> <87vb4ykn17.fsf@thinkpad.rath.org> <838u1ut22y.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Karl Fogel NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457386345 31957 80.91.229.3 (7 Mar 2016 21:32:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 21:32:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Nikolaus Rath , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 07 22:32:24 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ad2lJ-0000Ew-8l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 22:32:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58744 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ad2lI-0002Qw-LR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 16:32:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34177) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ad2lF-0002Qi-BX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 16:32:18 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ad2lC-00074o-5W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 16:32:17 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-yw0-x231.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4002:c05::231]:35192) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ad2lC-00074e-0s; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 16:32:14 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-yw0-x231.google.com with SMTP id g127so103529102ywf.2; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 13:32:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:reply-to:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=dAwyEMCpafR7wTQu6AXqN8uBoOK9BNAmfBEQMLjHsxY=; b=MfiAvn4AdpvD0zjFvrAMLdfIPsuzUOKVZm8cuo1/b4mB49SZ2sOAVuU6rbsvJ/yBEp QGYqhFBpobm37K3fHrjT03IPkByDAdYU1hW4IfuyB9UtqmYiZOwyqzcgPVnpysB+xbbg ykZkbLa8l7igltxjPlDezBNl72UPVbbH829wtxtM7+zakFJ+FgVEIr/8aGzim5nuEsVZ HnPU0idCZ5/ybwkoZYAbPP0E3qUKx1W23Y6ax+SztugtK8btQTCgtfmQxKaca28vy0uJ 3DaqYVLR8yt2TjVzpHZIe7O3dNffYi8Yb0jwAHj6ONnknQqpz9dpeDRFxjIqQhH7XrMe Tdmg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:reply-to :date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=dAwyEMCpafR7wTQu6AXqN8uBoOK9BNAmfBEQMLjHsxY=; b=JTQ4GdQ9nW7JkXdCkLCsKD42U/mhJcBLtZryCybTWq1ZQFGEr0KVBqnxGrhAqNLLSF IV7ys9plChavj01rTT+scGcgE5/puLAQj6SSNa3on34jajN8BiVskDAMnNaKV+UOe/sZ udBgGGn5a45ZEVVLRFhOM2PbjraelC1a2dlRURIF6AqS+uirBkKrAgPLd8C0purKOXoF xDWefFZ65BBCGcDuRIeihCUTE6Rm59v+xgxaL8ggElywdYl9a+8xJiDll36HuE93h6oj LP6OqEB9Qcdurh5BPK5NtFFTimLS7XfYjJ5wM2V90TSlxThOXP6sNWZgmNrcxjfXBj8/ xyag== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJIx+v6SYlPn29uRsIgcrlF3Q3ZIkNl4ttdCBVrmzHBjOzKwIanyFXujVXsm6jexrg== X-Received: by 10.129.128.130 with SMTP id q124mr13202883ywf.258.1457386333556; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 13:32:13 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from floss (74-92-190-114-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [74.92.190.114]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l140sm13081818ywe.21.2016.03.07.13.32.12 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 07 Mar 2016 13:32:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <838u1ut22y.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 07 Mar 2016 23:23:01 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.92 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4002:c05::231 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201086 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >You didn't read what I wrote about the current system. If we stop >producing ChangeLog files, there will be no reason for having detailed >enough commit log messages, and soon enough there will be no >summaries. This has not been the case in the other projects I work in (none of which use ChangeLog files). Log message discipline is maintained socially for commit messages just as it would be for ChangeLog entries.