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From: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Cc: John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com>,
	Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>,
	13949@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#13949: 24.4.1; `fill-paragraph' should not always put the buffer as modified
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 23:05:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87shzb8wd5.fsf@wanadoo.es> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6d4fb517-8fc7-6d8f-afce-9387e509a46c@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Sun, 27 Mar 2016 23:24:55 +0300")

Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> writes:

> On 03/27/2016 06:53 PM, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:
>
>> I look forward to seeing you visiting the git mailing list and starting
>> to agitate for not using sha-1 hashes as object identifiers in git,
>> because it might obviously lose data if you happen to get collisions.
>
> a) Why didn't they use md5, I wonder?

AFAIK, at first they intended to use the hash as a method for avoiding
malicious tampering of the VC contents, and MD5 was already broken as a
crypto hash algorithm. (It is entirely different to find a collision by
chance and to *fabricate* a collision; MD5 is broken for the later, but
reliable for preventing the former.)

I guess that the extra bits of entropy (160 vs 128) was a "fuzzy-warm"
factor too on using SHA-1 instead of MD5. Git must avoid collisions
among potentially hundreds of millions of objects (repos with that size
already exists or will exist on the near future.) Each and every hash
must be different from all the others and hence avoid the Birthday
Problem. Anyway, 128 bit hashes still would be good enough for those
huge repos. fill-paragraph needs to discriminate only between 2 chunks
of data.

> b) Git has a global object index. It _can_ detect collisions, or at
> least that detection can be implemented.

And what to do when a collision is detected?

Back to the topic, your suggetion about comparing the pre- and post-
contents of the paragraph (and avoiding huge copies of the pre- contents
by restricting the copied area to the paragraph itself) does not work
when the file contains just one paragraph. Try visiting a big CSV dump
or log and press M-q. You can abort the operation with C-g, but if Emacs
starts to swap like crazy or exceeds the process memory limit and it is
killed... We can be confident that this would happen multiple times out
there, the contrary of having the same MD5 for the pre- and post- result
of fill-paragraph.





  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-27 21:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-13 22:09 bug#13949: 24.3.50; `fill-paragraph' should not always put the buffer as modified Dani Moncayo
2013-03-14  3:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-14  7:57   ` Dani Moncayo
2013-03-14 10:27     ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-14 17:50       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-14 13:38     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-14 17:53       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-14 18:34         ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-14 18:49           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-14 19:01             ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-14 19:19               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-14 19:32                 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-15  4:02         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-15  7:27           ` Dani Moncayo
2013-03-14 17:46     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-14 18:34       ` Dani Moncayo
2016-03-22 10:50 ` bug#13949: 24.4.1; " Jaakov
2016-03-22 11:39   ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-22 16:15   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-22 17:40     ` Jaakov
2016-03-22 17:56       ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-22 18:07         ` Drew Adams
2016-03-22 18:23           ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-22 18:31       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-22 18:42         ` Jaakov
2016-03-26 23:46           ` John Wiegley
2016-03-27  3:31             ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27  7:44               ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-27 15:09                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-28  8:01                   ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-27  8:42               ` Andreas Schwab
2016-03-27 14:59                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 15:15                   ` Drew Adams
2016-03-27 15:21                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 18:53                     ` Drew Adams
2016-03-27 15:13                 ` Drew Adams
2016-03-27 14:56               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-27 15:28                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 15:42                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 15:52                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 15:57                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 16:21                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 16:33                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 16:46                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 16:58                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 18:22                                 ` Drew Adams
2016-03-27 15:29                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 15:58                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-27 16:05                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 16:12                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-27 16:37                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 16:50                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-27 17:30                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 17:51                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-27 16:38                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 17:00                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 16:14                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 15:46                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 16:04                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-27 16:11                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 16:18                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-27 16:28                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 10:39                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 11:27                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 11:32                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 11:39                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 13:46                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 15:29                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-28 15:39                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 15:15                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-28 15:39                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 15:52                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-28 16:29                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 17:04                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-28 17:07                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 17:37                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-28 17:45                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 18:17                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-28  8:09                 ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-27 15:28               ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 15:35                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 15:46                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 15:53                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 20:24                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 21:05                         ` Óscar Fuentes [this message]
2016-03-27 21:20                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 22:03                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 15:35                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 15:42                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 15:50                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 20:27                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 21:36                         ` Jaakov
2016-03-27 16:08                   ` Jaakov
2016-03-22 17:52     ` Jaakov
2016-03-22 18:40 ` bug#13949: (no subject) Jaakov
2016-03-22 18:56   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-22 19:07     ` Jaakov
2016-03-22 19:10       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-22 19:53         ` Jaakov
2016-03-22 20:07           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-22 21:58             ` Jaakov
2016-03-22 22:38               ` Glenn Morris
2016-03-23 15:57                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-23 17:45                   ` Jaakov
2016-03-26 23:33                 ` John Wiegley
2016-03-23 15:57               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-22 23:44 ` bug#13949: `fill-paragraph' should not always put the buffer as modified Petros Travioli
2016-03-28  4:55 ` bug#13949: fill-paragraph is buggy, but using MD5 is even more buggy Petros Travioli
2016-03-28 10:32   ` Andreas Schwab
2016-03-28 13:29     ` bug#13949: Aw: " Petros Travioli
2016-03-28 14:31       ` Andreas Schwab
2016-03-28 17:05       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-28 15:16 ` Petros Travioli
2016-03-28 17:05   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 17:06   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-28 19:03     ` Petros Travioli

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