From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] feature/integrated-elpa 4f6df43 15/23: README added Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 17:22:08 +0100 Message-ID: <87shsh4atr.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <20160916203414.25203.87032@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <87vaxsjmvu.fsf@russet.org.uk> <878tunj2wr.fsf@russet.org.uk> <874m582ixv.fsf@russet.org.uk> <871t0apsxm.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87shsm7hi6.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83a8eucwi2.fsf@gnu.org> <878tudgwlq.fsf@russet.org.uk> <8360pgoyo4.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1jn3ws9.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83a8eqoi08.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1jlacsh.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83shshmvjv.fsf@gnu.org> <87zimp7d02.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83intdms0s.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1475252566 21678 195.159.176.226 (30 Sep 2016 16:22:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 16:22:46 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 30 18:22:38 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bq0a5-0004aQ-RD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 18:22:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45761 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bq0a4-0003EB-CH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 12:22:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43009) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bq0Zk-0002u3-Mi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 12:22:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bq0Zi-0007hH-Nf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 12:22:15 -0400 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([31.216.48.48]:58847) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bq0Zd-0007dJ-Co; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 12:22:09 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=EicI9+dc2Hh0hBnHxNDYfq4tEIbirhJZQ9Fg1EVazaU=; b=pUh7tkmsfELZJCx8i5zBEOy4nJ L9+ODEerks8LOaC+M3Bk27akcYVpJOfZm3km9t+1mkiEpMJArEq3dU8OzpuNL5EDp4u03qQBR3bug 6+xn22HlFbbHOdy0BpKahtRsml6SP5U0POXeslOB3/vt5azenGsVGPZWE57f12hhv+03y1qrpkM+Y fRLDAAQRqO8b9EU6WpVsAYAkXhV1j1shXhozMLnI4ITY8HYiVJt09F7diamjsnzpooif34ipMKUgq IVUGZGQD6TasJRjrCdY2UvF+GcQvU5A4lNeGbUCVXP3fYwqiX+MGLDQsQxSSSxe3irtBmexby3yrl 23YL5DoA==; Original-Received: from janus-nat-128-240-225-60.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.225.60]:55336 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86_1) (envelope-from ) id 1bq0Zc-000gcV-Fk; Fri, 30 Sep 2016 17:22:08 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83intdms0s.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 30 Sep 2016 16:33:23 +0300") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 31.216.48.48 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:207926 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> We could do, but then it means that packages will use two different file >> organisations; one for when they are in package.el format, and one where >> they are not. Aside from being more work for the build, I think this >> will be fragile. Just as a simple example consider this file layout: >> >> package/foo/foo.el >> package/foo/test/simple-test.el >> >> package/bar/bar.el >> package/bar/test/simple-test.el >> >> where does simple-test.el go? > > These two files should be renamed to foo-simple-tests.el and > bar-simple-tests.el. > > More generally, ELPA packages that are distributed as part of the > Emacs tarball will have to use our naming conventions, and those > include test files. Right? Yes. We don't have naming conventions for test files yet, and they will need to be added. >> Emacs currrently has two systems for building packages -- one in core, >> one in package.el format. Adding support package.el format in core means >> that package developers only have to support one of these. > > What do you mean by "system for building packages"? AFAIK, we don't > build packages in core, we just byte-compile them and extract > autoloads from them. Yep, that's building them in the lisp sense -- also the documentation. package.el does the same thing (generates autoloads, byte-compiles, and additionally generates a -pkg.el file). Phil