From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Three cheers for Eli! Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 19:05:27 +0200 Message-ID: <87sh5yv86g.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <20180528174225.GA4316@ACM> <300eabee-1f11-268c-619f-373399d65ad2@yandex.ru> <83vaazdiiq.fsf@gnu.org> <87fu23b1je.fsf@mbork.pl> <87602z2l3x.fsf@aminb.org> <87efhnar8u.fsf@mbork.pl> <83602yd027.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1528391170 22620 195.159.176.226 (7 Jun 2018 17:06:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 17:06:10 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: mu4e 1.1.0; emacs 27.0.50 Cc: aminb@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org, kaushal.modi@gmail.com, john@yates-sheets.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 07 19:06:05 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fQyMN-0005jw-Iq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2018 19:06:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59316 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fQyOU-0001Dp-DQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:08:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59606) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fQyNK-0001Aj-65 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:07:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fQyNI-0002Lq-Q6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:07:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:36502) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fQyND-0002Ek-KR; Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:06:55 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21944E68A2; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 19:06:47 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jjLKSgxCcNuR; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 19:06:41 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (static-dwadziewiec-jedenpiec7.echostar.pl [109.232.29.157]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 99718E688F; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 19:06:39 +0200 (CEST) In-reply-to: <83602yd027.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.110.48.8 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:226094 Archived-At: On 2018-06-04, at 17:49, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Marcin Borkowski >> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 10:30:09 +0200 >> Cc: rms@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org, kaushal.modi@gmail.com, >> Eli Zaretskii , john@yates-sheets.org >> >> > Instead of attempting to explain it myself, I'll refer you to >> > this [0] article by RMS, called Why Open Source misses the point >> > of Free Software, which explains it much better than I could. >> >> I understand that, but Eli said >> >> > There's no doubt open-source projects do >> > exist, it's just that GNU projects are not among them. >> >> I thought that GNU projects are rather in the intersection of "free >> software" (in FSF sense) and open-source. That sentence confuses me. > > If yiu understand what Richard wrote in the article pointed to by > Amin, then I don't see how it could confuse you. the GNU project > explicitly does NOT want its software to be labeled "open-source". OK, I think I get it now. GNU _is_ open-source (because it satisfies the definition), but doesn't _like_ being called like that, since this gives false impression due to terms like "open-source" being quite loaded. That makes perfect sense, although I'm not sure whether I like it. (I mean it exactly as I have written, without any irony - I am really not sure.) Thanks, -- Marcin Borkowski http://mbork.pl