From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Auto-installing packages? Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 17:16:23 +0100 Message-ID: <87sh264w88.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <8736u8s5q8.fsf@russet.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1537287275 8552 195.159.176.226 (18 Sep 2018 16:14:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 16:14:35 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: raman@google.com, monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 18 18:14:31 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2Idy-00025s-LM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 18:14:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41197 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2Ig5-0006PF-3W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 12:16:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58034) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2Ifz-0006P7-8z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 12:16:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2Ifx-0005jH-9F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 12:16:35 -0400 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([78.129.138.110]:38552) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2Ifr-0005f0-BV; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 12:16:27 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=l5TpOdXpbC6htpJLHiL7Q3/wRdPuu80LsL8608EjHis=; b=Sm/Bsnj1W4w/sBA4MUNagz8Bs ak4DNx/mB0Ht1WK8cYjg+fSdZdq556+AynljYPAzTnL4k0xtXrqeffJ4MKQTOAkZ1v31LaYh1AhP8 Uof1KOk6EElDPeqBqqjmOWgBc70B/9b5+qhQK3MfgKLZGkVJ995JMWrCkbP6hWJ482JhXFDLNksTf 63bv+9kCqxvgrhlj1dO89WjnPW6fo/Z8CXfbOPoAGLr0WUa1+QU5jqAVp/UavYaJOAa6hIiqXpMsa G6GjfHntZOQXq7xYvFj9esly88DdBxXoq2qP67hp79F+a6s2FrlLuVrhQYSOhSgwkiuMEKUkLdVnZ 6zleZMl7g==; Original-Received: from janus-nat-128-240-225-124.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.225.124]:52540 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1g2Ifo-008JIQ-Al; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 16:16:24 +0000 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon, 17 Sep 2018 18:51:52 -0400") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 78.129.138.110 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229945 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > And, yet, the mantra is "ELPA is Emacs". It requires copyright > > assignment (with all the intense pain that this entails), the files say > > "part of Emacs" and so forth. > > > So, for the case of Emacs and ELPA installing over the network vs > > pre-packaged is, I think, merely technical. > > That is a valid point, in the case of GNU ELPA. > > But would that facility be limited to GNU ELPA? If we wanted to release a stripped-down Emacs, which auto-installed a pre-configured set of packages from ELPA, then I assume that you would insist that it would be, for reasons of copyright if nothing else. > Or would it also be used with other package archives > that are not part of Emacs? Emacs already has the ability to do this, but it is up to the user to choose to do this. Phil