From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 17:22:29 +0200 Message-ID: <87sgtdnm16.fsf@telefonica.net> References: <20190514235412.kncazq45szlum2gr@Ergus> <83v9yb92c7.fsf@gnu.org> <878sv7sp3r.fsf@telefonica.net> <83r28z8zl9.fsf@gnu.org> <20190515210924.sijzy6mnpgzkt4gm@Ergus> <83ftpecwu1.fsf@gnu.org> <20190516161408.4dov3dwk5h4yoizn@Ergus> <838sv6cmwt.fsf@gnu.org> <20190516202327.5cgy2s4kppy3ahxa@Ergus> <871s0yqg2i.fsf@telefonica.net> <06d1ac99-55be-0fe5-8cf5-85456762f699@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="264230"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 17 17:24:48 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hReix-0016WO-Ug for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 17:24:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50116 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hReiw-0004pN-SE for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 11:24:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52317) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hReh4-0003Fg-HU for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 11:22:47 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hReh2-0003TU-Pd for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 11:22:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=34206 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hReh0-0002xf-Od for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 11:22:44 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hRegt-0013jh-Hv for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 17:22:35 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Cancel-Lock: sha1:gEqzIMLN25zT8cw+BLPrzzZHmoQ= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120495 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > On 16.05.2019 23:50, Óscar Fuentes wrote: >> Emacs provides some advantages, but they are not apparent until you >> experience them. That's a problem for people grown on a culture of >> instant gratification. Emacs appeals to certain type of users who >> understand that gains require efforts. > > I strongly disagree: as somebody who like instant gratification, I see > that Emacs provides significant advantages to us: fast ability to see > how it works and why, to change its behavior in an instance, to > experiment without recompiling/restarting/whatever. But that type of instant gratification require previous effort (learning that doing those things is possible, to begin with.) The instant gratification that I refer to consists on installing the éditeur de texte du jour, "oh, looks nice", poke it for a minute and decide that it is okay for you and be happy thereafter, or until you eventually become tired/annoyed enough and then select a replacement by the same criteria.