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From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob@tcd.ie>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: 35887@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@gmail.com,
	Bob Proulx <bob@proulx.com>, Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
Subject: bug#35887: 26.1; global-eldoc-mode minibuffer noise is very annoying
Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 16:54:31 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sgsy1snc.fsf@tcd.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9d84f6c2-a319-495d-a967-25c1c66cee5d@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 27 May 2019 15:31:33 -0700 (PDT)")

Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

>> I turn ‘global-eldoc-mode’ off too, but I think it should be enabled
>> by default to demonstrate to newbies that Emacs has the same feature
>> that their IDEs have.
>
> Fair enough.  But on the flip side, better that a
> newbie should learn, early, that there is much more
> to Emacs than first meets the eye.  And learn, early
> on, how to discover for herself such non-default
> features.
>
> I disagree, in general (yes, abstractly, and such
> things should really be decided mostly case by case),
> with the idea of showing things initially just to be
> sure users notice them.
>
> That's not a strong reason.  We sometimes hear it
> espoused also as a reason for turning on some shiny
> new behavior: so users will notice it.  Not a great
> reason, on its own.  We have NEWS for that (and
> Sacha's tangents newsletter and...

I'm not sure if the following philosophy is documented anywhere, but my
personal impression is that it is considered more Emacs-y to default to
disabling most shiny features, lest they come across as annoying or
intrusive, and let each user pick and mix what they like.

I agree with that, so I sympathise with the annoyance of enabling
global-eldoc-mode by default, but in this case I feel like that ship has
already sailed, and that global-eldoc-mode is useful enough in the
general case that it might be worse to disable it again at this point.

-- 
Basil





  reply	other threads:[~2019-05-28 15:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-24 19:51 bug#35887: 26.1; global-eldoc-mode minibuffer noise is very annoying Bob Proulx
2019-05-24 20:47 ` npostavs
2019-05-24 21:35   ` Bob Proulx
2019-05-24 22:38     ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-24 23:24       ` Bob Proulx
2019-05-25  2:21     ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-25  6:19       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-26 11:51         ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-25  8:00     ` martin rudalics
2019-05-27 20:30       ` Juri Linkov
2019-05-27 22:31         ` Drew Adams
2019-05-28 15:54           ` Basil L. Contovounesios [this message]
2019-06-04  8:21         ` martin rudalics
2019-06-04 13:30           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-06-05 21:06             ` Juri Linkov
2019-05-27  3:23 ` Drew Adams
2020-08-16 10:16 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-08-16 14:32   ` Drew Adams
2020-08-16 16:12     ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-08-16 14:39   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 12:27     ` Stefan Kangas

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