* bug#12132: 24.1; M-p and M-n should follow behave similarly to M-f and M-b
@ 2012-08-03 17:00 Daniel Neel
2012-08-03 23:26 ` Stefan Monnier
0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Daniel Neel @ 2012-08-03 17:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 12132
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Hello all. Below is a quick suggestion originally intended to be submitted
as a bug. Sending through the mailing list because I don't have an email
client set up in Emacs yet.
My suggestion is to, by default, bind some movement behaviors to the M-p
and M-n keys. Currently, the default left and right cursor movement keys
are bound to C-f/b for going forward or backward by character, and M-f/b
to go forward/backward by word.
The up and down analog, C-p/n to go up/down a line, does not currently
(that I know of) follow this same pattern, where Control is bound to a
single unit of movement and Meta is bound to a larger semantic unit of
movement. Some keys that could substitute for M-p/n are C-v and M-v, for
the equivalent of page up and page down. Binding these, or another
similar set of keys, to M-p/n would follow the behavior of M-f/b and
hopefully make the default key set a bit more intuitive.
Also, C-v and M-v don’t follow the convention of C-A for movement in one
direction, and C-B for movement in the other. Rather, they switch things
up by binding Control to one direction and Meta to the other.
A potential problem here is that it looks like several other modes make
use of M-p/n for browsing through the command history in shells.
Anyways, that’s all for now. I probably underestimate how much effort
such a change would involve, but this might go a small ways towards making
the default command set make more sense, and rely less on rote muscle
memory.
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a n d SPC r e l y SPC l e s s SPC o n SPC r o t e SPC
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<S-next> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-movement> <mouse-1>
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o w <tab> - m o d <tab> <return> C-n C-n C-p C-p C-l
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f r e p o r t <tab> - e m a <tab> <return> C-x o C-n
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* bug#12132: 24.1; M-p and M-n should follow behave similarly to M-f and M-b
2012-08-03 17:00 bug#12132: 24.1; M-p and M-n should follow behave similarly to M-f and M-b Daniel Neel
@ 2012-08-03 23:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-10-30 23:31 ` Stefan Kangas
0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2012-08-03 23:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Daniel Neel; +Cc: 12132
> My suggestion is to, by default, bind some movement behaviors to the M-p
> and M-n keys. Currently, the default left and right cursor movement keys
> are bound to C-f/b for going forward or backward by character, and M-f/b
> to go forward/backward by word.
Thank you for your suggestion.
I've often wondered what if anything could be bound to M-p, M-n, and
I always ended up with the conclusion that keeping them free for use by
local modes to be the best option.
Maybe it's just laziness on my part, of course.
Stefan
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* bug#12132: 24.1; M-p and M-n should follow behave similarly to M-f and M-b
2012-08-03 23:26 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2019-10-30 23:31 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-11-21 11:48 ` Stefan Kangas
0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Kangas @ 2019-10-30 23:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: 12132, Daniel Neel
Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA> writes:
>> My suggestion is to, by default, bind some movement behaviors to the M-p
>> and M-n keys. Currently, the default left and right cursor movement keys
>> are bound to C-f/b for going forward or backward by character, and M-f/b
>> to go forward/backward by word.
>
> Thank you for your suggestion.
> I've often wondered what if anything could be bound to M-p, M-n, and
> I always ended up with the conclusion that keeping them free for use by
> local modes to be the best option.
> Maybe it's just laziness on my part, of course.
I think I agree with Stefan Monnier here. Any objections to closing
this as wontfix?
Best regards,
Stefan Kangas
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* bug#12132: 24.1; M-p and M-n should follow behave similarly to M-f and M-b
2019-10-30 23:31 ` Stefan Kangas
@ 2019-11-21 11:48 ` Stefan Kangas
0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Kangas @ 2019-11-21 11:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: 12132, Daniel Neel
tags 12132 + notabug wontfix
close 12132
thanks
Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> writes:
> Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA> writes:
>
>>> My suggestion is to, by default, bind some movement behaviors to the M-p
>>> and M-n keys. Currently, the default left and right cursor movement keys
>>> are bound to C-f/b for going forward or backward by character, and M-f/b
>>> to go forward/backward by word.
>>
>> Thank you for your suggestion.
>> I've often wondered what if anything could be bound to M-p, M-n, and
>> I always ended up with the conclusion that keeping them free for use by
>> local modes to be the best option.
>> Maybe it's just laziness on my part, of course.
>
> I think I agree with Stefan Monnier here. Any objections to closing
> this as wontfix?
No objections within three weeks. I'm therefore closing this bug.
Best regards,
Stefan Kangas
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