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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248304 Archived-At: On Fri, May 01 2020, Arthur Miller wrote: > Joost Kremers writes: >> Honestly, as a user of pdf-tools, I'm glad this happen=20 >> automatically if I choose to. Saves me from opening a shell and=20 >> copy&pasting a bunch of commands. > > How would you do it? Get Emacs to install and compile pdf tools=20 > from the source, or just to call the package manager from the=20 > distribution/OS of choice, which I sure are as many as users=20 > here. > > I am defenetly more happy installing applications through=20 > package manager from my distribution then through Emacs. Mostly=20 > because of updates and dependencies with other applications.=20 > Will Emacs also track when those tools are updated, bugs fixed=20 > etc? > > Unless you would to turn Emacs into OS package manager a l=C3=A1=20 > pacman, rpm, > etc, which I wouldn't mind by the way, but I don't think Emacs=20 > is there. > > Also pdf-tools are used by other applications in system so it is > easy to get them in any distro, inclusive proprietary OS:s(Win, > Mac). Why shoujld pdf-tools be different then any other tool we=20 > use in > Emacs (binutils, compilers, debuggers, grep, ag, you-name-it)? I'm not quite sure I follow. We're talking about the Emacs package=20 pdf-tools, which isn't used by other applications, because, well,=20 it's an Emacs package. :-) The pdf-tools package uses a C program=20 called epdfinfo to actually read the pdf and feed Emacs all the=20 info it needs to display the pdf file. Epdfinfo is part of the=20 pdf-tools package and needs to be compiled before you can use the=20 package in Emacs. Epdfinfo uses Poppler and in order for it to be built, a number of=20 development requirements need to be installed. pdf-tools will try=20 to install these through the system package manager, but this,=20 too, can be done manually if you prefer. So Emacs is not being made into a package manager for .deb or .rpm=20 files, the only thing that needs to be compiled is a C program=20 that comes with the package. --=20 Joost Kremers Life has its moments