From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Michael Albinus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master 43fded1: Add lisp-data-mode for editing non-code Lisp data Date: Sat, 02 May 2020 12:32:54 +0200 Message-ID: <87sggiy6cp.fsf@gmx.de> References: <20200501111127.16683.2701@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20200501111128.D311220B5B@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <87zhary243.fsf@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="108425"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 02 12:36:27 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jUpVT-000S6D-37 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 12:36:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57264 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUpVR-0001hT-Uv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 06:36:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51730) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUpSC-000745-AD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 06:33:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUpSA-0008HG-DO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 06:33:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:37191) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUpS9-0008EQ-Mg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 06:33:02 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1588415575; bh=7VENhyFieMWRW2nRhQciywt9bgRGPKFt6iCg84hjIVY=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=U3AkQ7mAyD8pm6YNwFqnilWv1sx535OPqYNBMvuuYKR7cxD5hQETJkEaWGpbsmTia 2nZFdOYVcqoIlayiXXZEi4p5jaPpKrCn1MF13Vt218zI40eqcOTq4dJfihfhn4/lxV 5zcUPJ5CpMTmvMxuITycJq3syESWag4zUVbUZ5EI= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([79.140.112.148]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MGhyc-1jR26H2VeM-00Dr6e; Sat, 02 May 2020 12:32:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Fri, 01 May 2020 14:18:44 -0400") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:2TRK4AMJXb86lwEMIMKZloY+BUsXmxG718Ha88bC3rcMljRFkLF xiOMluLG3f37oqib2nUpL7s5zrzh4X1VPBo3ZRK2TP3jo8E/ujQAOQMSlLMy+wXWRyXkjuV Yf/8LcVzKVOqfi43JDbHKZ1qTYgXFL/S8JlE+HoQqjOvfI4KIez1qi9WHF0/5twv6fQfu/3 XUW32eiaafKNaJ5C+EI7w== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:mukPPAnyaB4=:uTm9BHH8nmALZcUwVjiLRC mj049GsoVSY8moSpNrzfkzQOzRqaoCm/5AZmZeo7llIZRUNKfBrLRoEpZe/KruYX5ma2YubQg 3sQYd8ldtm0hn8a5Qq1pkFb5oEtZhQxNjvBgFjkKOoRKZmtmLmwMl0zbWOJChBFrY3G1WMmyF sp8PgL29Q2naoAcym2XIYZ6VEcsJ93CI7veNHZ9o8f+EOPtZVlw21b/nmih6IscD9sGQwXCeV fklxbHYwzFyElvncAtrRjKRWU9UmHK7XXIq9dTt5tzm5sSushOBqbx+qTJn1W9cRUU+PdaoWl RSnYN3AXNkgWUQEpKQGKc1JntaXjbA6UbprjJu9eDVBuRjm1DRh8+XqV0hXdTpXHsn2BHlQOG Oop9naG0pSZGCJ4XsefstSUqbKeu6UvNokK06CMHU7aAE19qBCSV7nCxDm3lvWI5Ql/7RntDA OTLjwoyxTgZfwnmb56jd/E7F37+Bj3j8GwjactwFgYLc2xKOG3lcMcU2eGHx5VdyMZ/HpvnYG PkkOS4bgWEF8HfSiqL4fcYIZTAh8ZyHp5n98sS/8zmIB7jlrNcvLqahu5LfkB+ReX07yQZK1s j1mlzNAzbNXawLpWLFTH6qdAaxtlOU0vsROH9D9aaMYuljYHwy1diBaYyB7uXa/nUroilmCk+ epZuk92m2XtETyTILefzL34fP+CbRztHfsUnPyx3Kfjde7habD80Xh2QXJh/4+t4lQv2Lb8Mo rRto2ykqBbrAfl33QSf4gGyTS7Mpk+L/Zof/TtlohGTYootFUflE2Lk5tNrMoUGr+4u2hH8M Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.17.22; envelope-from=michael.albinus@gmx.de; helo=mout.gmx.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/02 06:32:59 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.17.22 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248392 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: Hi Stefan, >> That's a problem. Tramp must be backward compatible with Emacs 25 and >> later, which doesn't know of lisp-data-mode. Could you, pls, revert this >> part of your commit? > > [ Do we also care about writing this file from Emacs-28 and then > reading it in Emacs-25? How 'bout restricting it so you can only use > it with Emacs-25-but-using-a-recent-Tramp? ] Yes, we care. And no, I don't see a reason to restrict ourselves; using lisp-data-mode in that file is not super important. > [ Also, I assume the above problem appears because Tramp uses > `find-file-noselect` to access this file, so it could be fixed by > making it use `insert-file-contents` instead, right? ] It is not a problem reading the file in Tramp code; Tramp uses already `insert-file-contents-literally`. The problem is rather when you want to visit the file interactively in a buffer. > Stefan Best regards, Michael.