From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Theodor Thornhill Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: A modern-mode? Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 18:31:18 +0200 Message-ID: <87sgbjm27d.fsf@thornhill.no> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29895"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel To: Drew Adams , Andrea Corallo Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 15 18:33:41 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kIDtl-0007gV-DC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 18:33:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58390 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIDtk-0007QB-A6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 12:33:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34796) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIDqw-0005E8-Nf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 12:30:47 -0400 Original-Received: from out1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:863f::]:32302) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIDqq-0005Pc-BV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 12:30:46 -0400 X-Report-Abuse: Please report any abuse attempt to abuse@migadu.com and include these headers. DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=thornhill.no; s=key1; t=1600187436; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=h7znO/N4juclEnLUOQppMzw5jeAZv1L6TCgRaQICCsk=; b=qKYsSuZaWQJ0ZQCn4+JFSey/7K74IafwJMKSgGIlfeH2RBnWiynI8NkT8gjF3RU4mB0eoo i2CVxVWCkEfEWhAK9tYiu2hy0WuxvELGan/+iWZVjf6UBBmUMQiqYu6zluTBucxvO8pfwC 2ipK4RPI0mmDQ/n9Ql2zX8D8x/GelpMmMvsmoySwwVcNRe4ZQ7Zb1ZM5XuHXYFcqZKdCBY /208IMZrBcrOxxOx9vmWQfyrioJt2YygF6zN+91c9voriZc1nux427qRNEDAdroj3NSsG7 7uTyBof15LUjvToz0KHVwLxPj6S23WsbTHTwdr4zuXIokOJzmXTSDxyCHq2fHQ== In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2001:41d0:2:863f::; envelope-from=theo@thornhill.no; helo=out1.migadu.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/15 12:30:37 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = ??? X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255770 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: >> have a global minor mode to enable other >> code we already have in Emacs core to make Emacs a little more >> friendly/modern to new comers. [...] > > It could be good for the mode to have an easy way for > users to check off (opt in/out) things that they want > included when the mode is enabled. > Yeah, this is important. IMO the biggest problem with DOOM/Spacemacs is that it isn't really easy to declare .emacs bankrupcy and start over, since so much is convoluted inside the distribution. I'm afraid a mode such as this would only serve as some sort of "vendor lock-in", and make people rely too much on this, rather than creating their own, reading the docs and code etc. I think that when you are confused about something, emacs should guide you to the variable or function in question, and not hidden away in some mode. However, I still think this is a good idea.