From: Phillip Lord <phillip.lord@russet.org.uk>
To: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [feature/native-comp] breakage on build
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2021 13:15:13 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sg69mj6m.fsf@russet.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871rdum8ds.fsf@telefonica.net> ("Óscar Fuentes"'s message of "Fri, 05 Feb 2021 23:56:15 +0100")
Óscar Fuentes <ofv@wanadoo.es> writes:
> Phillip Lord <phillip.lord@russet.org.uk> writes:
>
>> It's attractive in the first instance to conflate these three. We
>> could install all the dependencies for Emacs and all the tools we want
>> using pacman. But, I think this is wrong, because Emacs itself (i.e.
>> emacs.exe) is a fixed point in time; it needs to have a fixed set of
>> dependencies and they should not update for a given emacs.exe. This
>> fits poorly with the msys2 rolling release. So, problem one requires
>> us to extract dependencies from a given release of msys2 then freeze
>> them.
>
> Agreed, MSYS2 is a fat beast to depend on, but it provides a truckload
> of functionality and saves you from dealing with a tangled hell of
> dependencies. It is reasonable to expect that those dependencies will
> grow and become more complicated on the future (native-comp is a glaring
> example.)
Well I agree. But "fat beast" is an understatement. If I install msys2,
Emacs and all the dependencies, it comes in at nearly 2Gb on disk. The
install takes around half an hour on my machine (and only that fast
because I turn of the Windows antimalware service). It also includes a
pile of stuff that the user might not want (i.e. python or ruby) because
they have their own installation already. So I don't think we can avoid
the necessity for an Emacs with dependencies. native-comp is, indeed, a
glaring example, but it's also the only one. Adding the other
dependencies that have arisen (jansson, harfbuzz and gmp) has been
straightforward enough.
But, you are correct, a value add with all the tools installation of
Emacs might as well just be an msys2 install running. I believe you
already have already done that work! Or a powershell script that pulls
down msys2 installs it and dependencies and then pulls down
Emacs-no-deps over the top might be the way to go.
>> At the moment, number one is working, number two I think needs to be
>> solved as lots of people will want native comp on windows, and number
>> three is (and may remain) aspirational.
>
> The goal you are pursuing is difficult enough and, IMHO, you are
> complicating it further by adding (somewhat fuzzy) requirements that lie
> beyond the point that seems reasonable to me, speaking as an Emacs user.
Maybe. What I see is people using Emacs and getting their spelling wrong
because there is no spell checker.
Phil
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2021-01-30 10:37 [feature/native-comp] breakage on build Phillip Lord
2021-01-30 13:26 ` akrl--- via Emacs development discussions.
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2021-01-30 16:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2021-02-04 3:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-04 14:39 ` Phillip Lord
2021-02-04 15:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-04 15:52 ` Phillip Lord
2021-02-04 16:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-04 20:24 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-04 20:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-04 22:08 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-05 11:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-05 14:47 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-05 21:29 ` Phillip Lord
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2021-02-06 13:15 ` Phillip Lord [this message]
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2021-02-07 20:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-07 21:23 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-07 22:23 ` Phillip Lord
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2021-02-08 12:03 ` Phillip Lord
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2021-02-05 10:05 ` Phillip Lord
2021-02-05 11:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-05 20:37 ` Phillip Lord
2021-02-05 21:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-05 21:50 ` Phillip Lord
2021-02-06 7:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-06 12:58 ` Phillip Lord
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2021-02-07 19:11 ` Phillip Lord
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2021-02-08 21:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-09 8:25 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-02-09 22:38 ` Phillip Lord
2021-02-10 8:44 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-02-10 14:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-10 14:23 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-02-15 19:17 ` Phillip Lord
2021-02-10 15:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-10 20:41 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-02-11 14:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-11 14:51 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
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2021-02-11 16:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-11 16:20 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
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2021-02-12 6:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-10 21:23 ` Phillip Lord
2021-02-11 8:39 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-02-08 15:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-08 15:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-07 2:15 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-07 4:14 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-05 11:35 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-02-05 20:44 ` Phillip Lord
2021-02-05 7:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-30 20:21 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-01-30 22:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-01-30 22:23 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-01-30 22:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-02 0:27 ` Andy Moreton
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