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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: gilles.usenet@gmail.com, 47439@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#47439: 27.2; In daemon mode, if after-init-hook errors out, the server does not start
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2021 16:43:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sg4fqqxn.fsf@gnus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83zgynml0n.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 28 Mar 2021 17:05:12 +0300")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> The problem here is that if the daemon signals an error any place
> during startup before it starts the server, there's no way at all to
> communicate with the daemon, so you cannot know what happened and why.
>
> So I think we should provide one of the following, in case of such
> errors:
>
>  . exit the daemon and leave the description of the problem on some
>    disk file, or display it on the screen
>  . start the server and allow clients to connect and see the error
>    message, with or without the backtrace

Ah, right -- in this error mode, the Emacs starts, but there's no
feedback on the error -- it just hangs, and if you `C-c' it on the
command line, the Emacs is running in the background, but the daemon
hasn't started.

So that's, indeed, a very bad way to handle errors here.

I don't know why the doc string here specifies that there's no error
handling of this hook in particular -- that's the default for hooks,
right?

It seems that it first appeared in 1992:

+  "Functions to call after loading the init file (~/.emacs).
+The call is not protected by a condition-case, so you can set `debug-on-error'
+in .emacs, and put all the actual code on `after-init-hook'.")

Which is even more confusing -- it seems like the point here is that
this is a way to run init code, but get debugging?  We now have a
separate facility for that, so that bit doesn't seem very important any
more.

Anyway -- I think perhaps continuing on here and starting the daemon
might be the most useful solution here, perhaps?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
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  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-28 14:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-28  1:00 bug#47439: 27.2; In daemon mode, if after-init-hook errors out, the server does not start Gilles
2021-03-28 13:56 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-28 14:05   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-28 14:43     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen [this message]
2021-03-28 14:55       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-28 14:56         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-28 17:04           ` Gilles
2021-03-28 17:23             ` Eli Zaretskii

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