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From: Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk>
To: John Kitchin <jkitchin@andrew.cmu.edu>
Cc: Tom Gillespie <tgbugs@gmail.com>,
	org-mode-email <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>,
	Bruce D'Arcus <bdarcus@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Expanding how the new cite syntax is used to include cross-references - thoughts?
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2021 16:22:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sfzdv083.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJ51EToZ8ZpBMCjdMUiy-1GaCm+RFA_iP-D_XdpV18vcu=e8Uw@mail.gmail.com> (John Kitchin's message of "Thu, 12 Aug 2021 13:19:21 -0400")

Hello John & co.,

I need to chime in when it comes to the UI:

On Thursday, 12 Aug 2021 at 13:19, John Kitchin wrote:
> I would say the UI that I like, have used for many years, and is the
> default of org-ref is:
>
> 1. You type C-c ] to insert a citation
> 2. You type C-u C-c ] to insert a cross-reference
> 3. you type C-u C-u C-c ] to insert a new label.

UI is a very personal thing.  So long as there are 3 different functions
that implement these actions, I would be happy.  Despite using Emacs for
approximately 35 years, I use evil mode to avoid making my RSI worse
(RSI due originally to mouse use in the 80s, not Emacs ;-)).  In that
context, typing C-u is not ideal.  (C-c is worse, mind you.)  I have a
"," leader key to which I add org specific commands when in org mode.

Just my 2¢.

In terms of the bigger picture, citations and cross-references, to me,
are different things (one is external and the other usually internal,
respectively) and I see no benefit in conflating them.  I am also still
not convinced that org links are not sufficient but I don't mind if
there is a new syntax for cross-references, if this is deemed
beneficial.  However, these feelings (as opposed to the UI issue) are
not strong and will easily adapt to whatever is decided.

eric
-- 
: Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50, Org release_9.4.6-625-ge7454c
: Latest paper written in org: https://arxiv.org/abs/2106.05096


  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-08-13 15:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-11  0:58 Expanding how the new cite syntax is used to include cross-references - thoughts? John Kitchin
2021-08-11  1:19 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-08-11  5:28   ` Tom Gillespie
2021-08-11 11:13     ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-08-11 11:54       ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-08-11 13:43         ` John Kitchin
2021-08-11 14:32           ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-08-11 14:56             ` John Kitchin
2021-08-11 15:41               ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-08-11 16:08                 ` Timothy
2021-08-11 16:26                   ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-08-11 14:13       ` John Kitchin
2021-08-12 15:23         ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-08-12 17:19           ` John Kitchin
2021-08-12 18:06             ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-08-13 15:22             ` Eric S Fraga [this message]
2021-10-10 13:30               ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-10-12 21:16                 ` John Kitchin
2021-10-12 21:58                   ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-10-12 23:27                     ` John Kitchin
2021-10-13  0:08                       ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-08-11 13:23   ` John Kitchin

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