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[92.184.108.18]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q18sm19357825wmc.7.2021.10.10.22.48.26 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 10 Oct 2021 22:48:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83k0ikqp1x.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 11 Oct 2021 05:21:30 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::42d; envelope-from=kevin.legouguec@gmail.com; helo=mail-wr1-x42d.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:276722 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 21:07:16 +0300 >> From: Eli Zaretskii >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> If you don't want to use 4 or 5 for both, let's find a different >> letter, but make it identical for both "C-x 4" and "C-x 5". > > How about "C-x 4 x" and "C-x 5 x". where "x" stands for "eXecute"? > An alternative could be "C-x 4 RET" and "C-x 5 RET". > > Would any of these be acceptable? I don't mind x or RET in terms of mnemonics, but my clumsy fingers find them less ergonomic than C-x K K. FWIW, I don't find it shocking that other-{frame,tab,window}-prefix do not end with identical letters. True, they are the only commands in the {ctl-x-4,ctl-x-5,tab-prefix}-map keymaps that break this convention, but they still follow a consistent pattern: C-x K K, where K is the prefix key for the relevant UI element. I also support Juri's suggestion to bind tear-off-window to C-x 4 5: I feel like the "_4_ to _5_" sequence translates quite well to "move this _window_ to another _frame_", at least in my head.