From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master 859190f 2/3: Convert some keymaps to defvar-keymap Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 15:59:10 +0200 Message-ID: <87sfx3wvv5.fsf@gnus.org> References: <20211004081724.6281.11798@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <83tuhlnkxm.fsf@gnu.org> <818f9907c2f359a71f49@heytings.org> <83czo9nj4g.fsf@gnu.org> <818f9907c244b9db0bea@heytings.org> <834k9lnd2i.fsf@gnu.org> <818f9907c2dff3b49971@heytings.org> <83k0ign3zj.fsf@gnu.org> <818f9907c26fb6f0233a@heytings.org> <838rywm7a7.fsf@gnu.org> <9865db3af5547c6ca15c@heytings.org> <9865db3af561bf9f05d1@heytings.org> <87lf2vyej8.fsf@gnus.org> <9865db3af5710fbcc443@heytings.org> <87h7djybv9.fsf@gnus.org> <9865db3af54c5432a529@heytings.org> <87czo7ybhj.fsf@gnus.org> <9865db3af596e2553d9d@heytings.org> <8735p3yb6o.fsf@gnus.org> <9865db3af5c5d28dc032@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39561"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Kangas , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 14 15:59:53 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mb1Gy-000A5M-Rn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2021 15:59:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54136 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mb1Gx-0004fl-M1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2021 09:59:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44540) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mb1GP-0003xM-08 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2021 09:59:17 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:54244) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mb1GN-0000hV-HM; Thu, 14 Oct 2021 09:59:16 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=EuyZ/sXtN08/jGnUJ7auR0ZYWumY4lEnqG87vVkHoWQ=; b=eI8m47rdjv1w0AkDuoKb1krazM XxEQSiNqkS8KuowvLbJ7xqOvE91TW7wbMKFjje82G1Sg4t0IkFnamO+2RJI63EjnSqKacFDzoVqZ6 iY9OulxcDyi9TJvN2Bo07gOu++gi8BXj28kV+OKlmSgj+0C/4nWa3z/+Nz+8nv1WfAws=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mb1GI-0002Oj-Ou; Thu, 14 Oct 2021 15:59:13 +0200 X-Now-Playing: David Allred's _Old Home_: "You Never Knew" In-Reply-To: <9865db3af5c5d28dc032@heytings.org> (Gregory Heytings's message of "Thu, 14 Oct 2021 13:53:26 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:277027 Archived-At: Gregory Heytings writes: >> That's even more confusing. If you want to only use kbd syntax, >> then you have to use kbd explicitly for some key bindings (if you >> want to bind "fp", for instance), but not for others. > > (kbd "fp") == "fp", so why would you need to use kbd explicitly to > bind "fp"? The kbd syntax for `f' `p' is "f p". --- f p runs the command (lambda nil (interactive)), which is an interactive Lisp function. It is bound to f p. --- So people that want to use kbd syntax to bind `f' `p', and `define-key' runs other things through `kbd' automatically, they will write: (define-key "f p" ...) and be confused. Instead they'll have to write (define-key (kbd "f p") ...) (define-key "C-c C-c" ...) and it's all DWIM mess. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no