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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:295969 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Richard Stallman writes: > >> The bug that made setting vc-tor a no-op was particularly treacherous. >> since the feature led people to believe they got some protection >> for their privacy, but it didn';t actually work. >> >> I think we should release a 28.3 with this change, and fairly soon, >> even if no other changes are needed. > > vc-tor is for using VC commands via Tor? > > Emacs does not, in general, work well with Tor -- Emacs leaks all over > the place (especially w.r.t. DNS lookups), so somebody trying to retain > full privacy by setting that variable will probably be found out anyway. All `vc-tor' does is wrap a vc program invocation using torsocks. If that is leaky, then torsocks is broken. > But it does seem like a pretty bad problem, even if I expect that > virtually nobody is using vc-tor, so perhaps we should do an Emacs 28.3 > release. I'm not at all sure, though. Eli, what do you think?