From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#60085: 30.0.50; `help-enable-autoload' is not fully obeyed Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2022 08:58:23 +0000 Message-ID: <87sfhhujps.fsf@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5929"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Stefan Monnier To: 60085@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 15 09:59:20 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1p5k5I-0001O4-Ce for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2022 09:59:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p5k52-0007wg-5s; 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It was the first time this > > ever happened to me. I did try to explicitly enter the variable's > > name by entering 'org-goto', which (like 'org-go') is not > > enough: it is completed to 'org--goto'. > > AFAICT this is a missing feature: we obey `help-enable-autoload` in > `describe-function` but we fail to do the same autoloading dance in > `describe-variable`. Recipe 1: 1. emacs -Q 2. Type "debug-on-error" 3. C-h v 4. Observe "Describe variable (default debug-on-error): " 5. C-g 6. org-mouse-map (note that org-mouse.el is not auto-loaded) 7. C-h v 8. Observe "Describe variable: " Expected: "Describe variable (default org-mouse-map): " Recipe 2: 1. emacs -Q 2. Type C-h v org-go 3. Observe "Describe variable: org--goto" 4. C-g 5. M-: (require 'org-goto) 6. C-h v org-go 7. Observe "Describe variable: org-goto-" 7 is expected at 3. 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