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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:306430 Archived-At: Gregory Heytings writes: > Both parts of that (unsubstantiated) sentence are wrong. The truth is > that, like any program that is not frozen, but evolving, the price to > pay when you use the testing/development/unstable branch is to accept > a certain degree of unstability. The problem starts when people begin doing this often. This is not the case with a C compiler. For example, I can compile most C and C++ software currently in existence with GCC 4.0. And most such software will also work fine GCC 13.1. Could you do the same with a Rust compiler from 2006, or even 2015?