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From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: "Gerd Möllmann" <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>,
	"brandon.irizarry@gmail.com" <brandon.irizarry@gmail.com>,
	"Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@gnu.org>,
	"65344@debbugs.gnu.org" <65344@debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: bug#65344: 28.2; Unable to Edebug cl-flet form which uses argument destructuring
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2023 02:16:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sf868xq5.fsf@web.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR10MB5488FF3910A78B4EA4B89C34F3E3A@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 25 Aug 2023 14:50:57 +0000")

Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

> OK, so you don't see a problem.  Do you see
> a reason why we would add some `cl-foobar' to
> `cl-lib.el', if it's a function that has no
> relation to Common Lisp?  Does it make any
> sense to you that someone might expect it to
> be housed elsewhere, with a different prefix
> (or with no prefix)?
>
> That's all I'm trying to say here.  Let's avoid
> stuffing non-CL stuff in `cl*.el' files.  Is it
> necessary to clean house wholesale, moving and
> renaming things to fix this mixup?  No.  I'm
> not proposing disruption or extra work - just a
> recognition of a will to avoid adding not CL
> stuff to `cl*.el' files and giving it prefix
> `cl-'.  Nothing revolutionary or heavy-handed
> intended.

Sorry about mentioning flet again, but it's a good example to discuss.
Would you want that we have cl-flet, which is an restricted version
of the current implementation, and cl-flet*, which is like the current
cl-flet?  Or two constructs with non-overlapping semantics?  Or was
extending cl-flet as had been done ok for you?

Your suggestion sounds logical and objective, but what has "a relation to
CL" or is "not CL" is a bit subjective, it is an individual decision
where to draw the line.  I mean, anyone could agree with your claim but
some may still come to other decision than you would expect.

Michael.





  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-26  0:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-16 18:21 bug#65344: 28.2; Unable to Edebug cl-flet form which uses argument destructuring Brandon Irizarry
2023-08-17  0:55 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-17  5:29 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-17 15:42   ` Brandon Irizarry
2023-08-17 15:56     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-17 18:23     ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-17 23:07       ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-18  5:19         ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-18  5:58           ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-18  6:43             ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-19  8:08               ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-20  3:57                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-20  5:32                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-20  6:08                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-20  6:48                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-21  1:19                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-21  7:01                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-21  7:10                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-21  7:30                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-22  0:54                                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-22  5:48                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-22  6:10                                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-22  8:05                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-22 21:06                                         ` Brandon Irizarry
2023-08-23  0:35                                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-23  0:32                                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-23  1:25                                           ` Drew Adams
2023-08-23  6:06                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-23 14:23                                               ` Drew Adams
2023-08-24  3:16                                                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-24  9:10                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-24 23:04                                                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-25  1:53                                                     ` Drew Adams
2023-08-25  4:07                                                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-25 14:50                                                         ` Drew Adams
2023-08-26  0:16                                                           ` Michael Heerdegen [this message]
2023-08-26  2:02                                                             ` Drew Adams
2023-08-20  4:39                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-20  5:15                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-23  9:25 ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-08-23  9:31   ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-08-23 11:10     ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-23 14:08       ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-24  1:14         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-24  6:17           ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-25  4:10             ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-25  6:19               ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-25  4:22             ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-25  6:33               ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-25 17:53                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-26  5:39                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-27  4:02                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-27  6:34                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-09-01 23:24         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-02  5:10           ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-09-02 17:04             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-02 19:27               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-03  5:51                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-09-03 16:09                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-03 16:47                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-09-04 21:14                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-23  9:33   ` Gerd Möllmann

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