NonGNU ELPA: taking over/forking ws-butler

NonGNU ELPA: taking over/forking ws-butler

[Sean Whitton]

Hello,

I wrote the following e-mail to Le Wang a fortnight ago and have
received no response.  And he has not been active on github, where
ws-butler was developed, in some years.

Stefan, do you think it would be okay if I go ahead and essentially fork
it by maintaining it out of nongnu-elpa.git?

Thanks.

-- 
Sean Whitton

-------------------- Start of forwarded message --------------------
From: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name>
To: Le Wang <l26wang@gmail.com>
Subject: taking over ws-butler
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2024 01:46:40 +0800
Message-ID: <87jzerk96n.fsf@melete.silentflame.com>

Hello Le,

I love ws-butler, as do many others.

ws-butler has a number of open issues and could generally use some
maintainance work.
Would you consider letting me take over as maintainer, please?

I've been maintaining ws-butler in the official Debian repositories
since 2016 and I have commit access to upstream Emacs, GNU ELPA and
NonGNU ELPA.

I'd leave you as Author, and add a Maintainer line for myself.
You could either grant me access to your repository on github, or
transfer the repository to me, which automatically establishes a
redirect.  In the latter case I could give you push access so you could
still make changes.

Thank you for considering this.

-- 
Sean Whitton
-------------------- End of forwarded message --------------------

Re: NonGNU ELPA: taking over/forking ws-butler

[Sean Whitton]

Intended to CC Le Wang on this message too.

On Thu 17 Oct 2024 at 11:21am +08, Sean Whitton wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I wrote the following e-mail to Le Wang a fortnight ago and have
> received no response.  And he has not been active on github, where
> ws-butler was developed, in some years.
>
> Stefan, do you think it would be okay if I go ahead and essentially fork
> it by maintaining it out of nongnu-elpa.git?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- 
> Sean Whitton
>
> From: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name>
> Subject: taking over ws-butler
> To: Le Wang <l26wang@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2024 01:46:40 +0800 (2 weeks, 1 day, 9 hours ago)
>
> Hello Le,
>
> I love ws-butler, as do many others.
>
> ws-butler has a number of open issues and could generally use some
> maintainance work.
> Would you consider letting me take over as maintainer, please?
>
> I've been maintaining ws-butler in the official Debian repositories
> since 2016 and I have commit access to upstream Emacs, GNU ELPA and
> NonGNU ELPA.
>
> I'd leave you as Author, and add a Maintainer line for myself.
> You could either grant me access to your repository on github, or
> transfer the repository to me, which automatically establishes a
> redirect.  In the latter case I could give you push access so you could
> still make changes.
>
> Thank you for considering this.

-- 
Sean Whitton

Re: NonGNU ELPA: taking over/forking ws-butler

[Philip Kaludercic]

Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> writes:

> Hello,
>
> I wrote the following e-mail to Le Wang a fortnight ago and have
> received no response.  And he has not been active on github, where
> ws-butler was developed, in some years.
>
> Stefan, do you think it would be okay if I go ahead and essentially fork
> it by maintaining it out of nongnu-elpa.git?

Is there a reason you want to maintaining from nongnu.git?  It would
also be possible to redirect it to some new repository that you would
have control over instead.

> Thanks.
>
> -- 
> Sean Whitton
>
> From: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name>
> Subject: taking over ws-butler
> To: Le Wang <l26wang@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2024 01:46:40 +0800 (2 weeks, 1 day, 22 hours ago)
>
> Hello Le,
>
> I love ws-butler, as do many others.
>
> ws-butler has a number of open issues and could generally use some
> maintainance work.
> Would you consider letting me take over as maintainer, please?
>
> I've been maintaining ws-butler in the official Debian repositories
> since 2016 and I have commit access to upstream Emacs, GNU ELPA and
> NonGNU ELPA.
>
> I'd leave you as Author, and add a Maintainer line for myself.
> You could either grant me access to your repository on github, or
> transfer the repository to me, which automatically establishes a
> redirect.  In the latter case I could give you push access so you could
> still make changes.
>
> Thank you for considering this.

-- 
	Philip Kaludercic on siskin

Re: NonGNU ELPA: taking over/forking ws-butler

[Stefan Monnier]

> I wrote the following e-mail to Le Wang a fortnight ago and have
> received no response.  And he has not been active on github, where
> ws-butler was developed, in some years.

Sadly, nowadays many people don't read their email or don't reply.
[ IME, more and more people use their email account only as a kind of
  authenticator for 2FA or password recovery. 🙁  ]
[ Also, sometimes they just change their email address.  ]

I'd recommend you open a (very short and focused) issue on the upstream
Github about this, asking for help contacting him, in case he does read
that, or in case someone else reads that who knows another way to
reach him.

BTW, https://github.com/lewang suggests he contributed to something(?)
over there recently (on Sept 25).

>> Stefan, do you think it would be okay if I go ahead and essentially
>> fork it by maintaining it out of nongnu-elpa.git?

Changing the upstream (to `nongnu.git` or anywhere else) due to a new
maintainership is fine, yes.

But of course doing it without the former maintainer's consent is not ideal.
I think it deserves waiting a bit more than a fortnight.


        Stefan

Re: NonGNU ELPA: taking over/forking ws-butler

[Sean Whitton]

Hello,

On Thu 17 Oct 2024 at 04:27pm GMT, Philip Kaludercic wrote:

> Is there a reason you want to maintaining from nongnu.git?  It would
> also be possible to redirect it to some new repository that you would
> have control over instead.

I just think it's easier to have fewer repos.  It's git, so it doesn't
really matter where things are, anyway.

-- 
Sean Whitton

Re: NonGNU ELPA: taking over/forking ws-butler

[Sean Whitton]

Hello,

On Thu 17 Oct 2024 at 02:17pm -04, Stefan Monnier wrote:

> I'd recommend you open a (very short and focused) issue on the upstream
> Github about this, asking for help contacting him, in case he does read
> that, or in case someone else reads that who knows another way to
> reach him.

Okay, done.

> BTW, https://github.com/lewang suggests he contributed to something(?)
> over there recently (on Sept 25).
>
>>> Stefan, do you think it would be okay if I go ahead and essentially
>>> fork it by maintaining it out of nongnu-elpa.git?
>
> Changing the upstream (to `nongnu.git` or anywhere else) due to a new
> maintainership is fine, yes.
>
> But of course doing it without the former maintainer's consent is not ideal.
> I think it deserves waiting a bit more than a fortnight.

Yeah, I wasn't planning to do it immediately, just wanted to ask about
how it could be done.

I'll do it in a further two weeks from now, if no response.

-- 
Sean Whitton

Re: NonGNU ELPA: taking over/forking ws-butler

[Richard Stallman]

[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
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  > I just think it's easier to have fewer repos.  It's git, so it doesn't
  > really matter where things are, anyway.

It may not matter as regards the functioning of Git in a narrow sense,
but the qyestion of who cntrols the repo and who can install changes
can be very important.
-- 
Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org)
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)

Re: NonGNU ELPA: taking over/forking ws-butler

[Sean Whitton]

Hello again,

On Thu 17 Oct 2024 at 02:17pm -04, Stefan Monnier wrote:

>> I wrote the following e-mail to Le Wang a fortnight ago and have
>> received no response.  And he has not been active on github, where
>> ws-butler was developed, in some years.
>
> Sadly, nowadays many people don't read their email or don't reply.
> [ IME, more and more people use their email account only as a kind of
>   authenticator for 2FA or password recovery. 🙁  ]
> [ Also, sometimes they just change their email address.  ]
>
> I'd recommend you open a (very short and focused) issue on the upstream
> Github about this, asking for help contacting him, in case he does read
> that, or in case someone else reads that who knows another way to
> reach him.
>
> BTW, https://github.com/lewang suggests he contributed to something(?)
> over there recently (on Sept 25).
>
>>> Stefan, do you think it would be okay if I go ahead and essentially
>>> fork it by maintaining it out of nongnu-elpa.git?
>
> Changing the upstream (to `nongnu.git` or anywhere else) due to a new
> maintainership is fine, yes.
>
> But of course doing it without the former maintainer's consent is not ideal.
> I think it deserves waiting a bit more than a fortnight.

An update here.  Posting a GitHub issue worked, in that I got a brief
reply, but haven't heard back properly.  So I guess I wait another month
since that last reply and take it over.

  <https://github.com/lewang/ws-butler/issues/52#issuecomment-2461328652>

-- 
Sean Whitton

Re: NonGNU ELPA: taking over/forking ws-butler

[Stefan Monnier]

> An update here.  Posting a GitHub issue worked, in that I got a brief
> reply, but haven't heard back properly.  So I guess I wait another month
> since that last reply and take it over.
>
>   <https://github.com/lewang/ws-butler/issues/52#issuecomment-2461328652>

I suggest you setup another repository where you start pushing patches,
then open a new Issue at `lewang/ws-butler` asking if there are any
objections to changing NonGNU ELPA to use your new repository as the new
official "upstream".


        Stefan

Re: NonGNU ELPA: taking over/forking ws-butler

[Sean Whitton]

Hello,

On Sun 17 Nov 2024 at 05:02pm -05, Stefan Monnier wrote:

>> An update here.  Posting a GitHub issue worked, in that I got a brief
>> reply, but haven't heard back properly.  So I guess I wait another month
>> since that last reply and take it over.
>>
>>   <https://github.com/lewang/ws-butler/issues/52#issuecomment-2461328652>
>
> I suggest you setup another repository where you start pushing patches,
> then open a new Issue at `lewang/ws-butler` asking if there are any
> objections to changing NonGNU ELPA to use your new repository as the new
> official "upstream".

Thanks for the idea.  However, I'm not keen on doing work that I might
not be able to release.  I'd prefer to wait longer, and then just do it.

-- 
Sean Whitton