From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, mattiase@acm.org, arstoffel@gmail.com,
eller.helmut@gmail.com, dmcc2@hypnicjerk.ai,
pipcet@protonmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, acorallo@gnu.org,
stefankangas@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] add compiled regexp primitive lisp object
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2024 17:10:34 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87seqejpf9.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <868qs64a65.fsf@gnu.org>
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> 1. They could be inspected from Elisp, and hopefully optimized
>> better. For now, there is simply no way to detect which parts of
>> regexps are slow and which are not.
>
> If we can optimize them from Lisp, we should be able to do the same in
> C. If you explain what kind of optimization opportunities you had in
> mind, we could discuss how to implement that. In any case, adding
> APIs for regexp optimizations doesn't require to have compiled regexp
> objects.
What I had in mind is some kind of profiler for regexps. I cannot
imagine such a profiler without having access to the state machine
instructions emitted by regexp compiler - there will be no easy mapping
between regexp itself and the resulting compiled instructions (that
mapping will depend on the specifics of Emacs compiler)
>> 2. They could maybe even be constructed from Elisp, opening
>> opportunities for custom regexp compilers that can be tailored to
>> specific application needs rather than having to stick to hard-coded
>> generic tradeoffs Emacs has to do without knowing the purpose of a
>> regexp.
>
> How will this help making matching faster, and why does this have to
> be via compiled regexp objects?
My motivation is
https://burntsushi.net/regex-internals/#literal-extraction that explains
how regexp compilation depends on certain heuristics.
For example, when searching for "\\(foo\\|bar\\)[a-z]+", heuristics
invoking simple string literal search for "foo" and "bar" first before
using heavy regexp automata is justified. Not so much when the prefix is
simply " " that usually occurs very frequently in text.
However, for specially structures texts (e.g. in parsers), additional
knowledge about structure is available and can be utilized to fine-tune
the regexp compilation.
Ultimately, an ability to construct instructions from scratch can be
useful - this may allow going beyond what Emacs regexp syntax provides;
and faster.
--
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
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Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-12-23 17:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-07-30 5:08 [PATCH] add compiled regexp primitive lisp object Danny McClanahan
2024-07-30 13:02 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-07-31 22:33 ` dmcc2
2024-08-01 1:04 ` Pip Cet
2024-08-04 23:38 ` Danny McClanahan
2024-08-05 3:47 ` dmcc2
2024-08-05 4:39 ` Danny McClanahan
2024-08-05 7:15 ` Danny McClanahan
2024-08-05 17:55 ` Pip Cet
2024-08-06 15:15 ` Danny McClanahan
2024-08-06 15:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-07 4:28 ` Danny McClanahan
2024-08-06 18:18 ` Pip Cet
2024-08-06 18:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-07 4:23 ` Danny McClanahan
2024-08-07 12:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-07 12:43 ` Helmut Eller
2024-08-07 13:40 ` Augusto Stoffel
2024-08-07 15:23 ` Danny McClanahan
2024-08-14 1:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-26 18:05 ` Danny McClanahan
2024-11-26 18:50 ` Danny McClanahan
2024-12-08 15:24 ` Danny McClanahan
2024-12-09 15:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-12-09 15:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-12-22 19:14 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-22 19:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-22 20:02 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-22 20:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-22 20:31 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-23 13:38 ` Björn Bidar
[not found] ` <8634ie60jd.fsf@gnu.org>
2024-12-23 16:33 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-23 16:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 17:10 ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2024-12-24 21:16 ` Björn Bidar
2024-12-24 5:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-12-24 9:30 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-24 15:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-08-07 15:02 ` Danny McClanahan
2024-08-07 15:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-14 1:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-08-07 7:59 ` Danny McClanahan
2024-08-06 12:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-01 8:30 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-08-01 10:06 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-08-06 13:47 ` Danny McClanahan
2024-08-06 13:57 ` Danny McClanahan
2024-08-07 7:21 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-08-07 8:27 ` Danny McClanahan
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