From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Right Alt/Meta keys on Windows systems Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:37:12 -0500 Message-ID: <87r77v3dt8.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> References: <200512281541.jBSFfXUQ013499@copa.pajato.com> <200512282231.19843.pogonyshev@gmx.net> <200512292110.08239.pogonyshev@gmx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1135885065 6514 80.91.229.2 (29 Dec 2005 19:37:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:37:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: pmr@pajato.com, Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 29 20:37:43 2005 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Es3an-0005Gu-Ka for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:37:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Es3cA-0007MT-JX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:39:06 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es3bo-0007M6-1D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:38:44 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es3bn-0007Lk-1C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:38:43 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Es3bm-0007Lh-Ru for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:38:42 -0500 Original-Received: from [209.226.175.4] (helo=tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Es3c8-0004AP-9B; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:39:04 -0500 Original-Received: from alfajor ([67.71.26.159]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20051229193712.WIUT9608.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@alfajor>; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:37:12 -0500 Original-Received: by alfajor (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A3CEDD7697; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:37:12 -0500 (EST) Original-To: Paul Pogonyshev In-Reply-To: <200512292110.08239.pogonyshev@gmx.net> (Paul Pogonyshev's message of "Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:10:07 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Originating-IP: [0] X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:48508 Archived-At: >> That's another issue altogether, let's not add to confusion. > No it's not. If someone proposes to override system differentiation > of the two Alt keys and treat them the same, while I propose to fully > honor the system differentiation of the Alt keys (if they are considered > different by the system to begin with), that's not another issue. Those > are two opposing views on the same issue. Actually you are not proposing to "fully honor the system differentiation of the Alt keys". You are only proposing to make LEIM understand the Mode_switch key. Emacs already obeys your system's setup where what you think of as a "right alt key" is actually not an alt key but a Mode_switch. As a matter of fact, it'd be hard for Emacs not to obey this differentiation because as far as Emacs is concerned this is *not* an alt key in any sense of the word (otherwise it would send an Alt_L or Alt_R event and it'd be bound to some modifier bit rather than sending a Mode_switch event). So as Eli said, please let's not add to confusion. Stefan