From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sean Sieger Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:02:26 -0500 Message-ID: <87r77lqakt.fsf@gmail.com> References: <54321A2A-3F36-4416-B473-49AC11FF057F@gmail.com> <853bk5gwa8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <792D87C1-B9A9-495E-9335-7139845D1CB0@gmail.com> <85fyo4zvei.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87sls47lvd.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <85wthftsme.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1136585062 30357 80.91.229.2 (6 Jan 2006 22:04:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 22:04:22 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 06 23:04:16 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Euzgu-0008MF-Kv for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 23:04:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Euzii-0000DM-1W for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:06:00 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Euzhe-0008Mq-9a for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:04:54 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Euzhc-0008Kr-Ba for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:04:53 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Euzhc-0008Kl-6n for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:04:52 -0500 Original-Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1EuzjQ-00032S-Kk for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:06:45 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EuzfZ-00084R-5E for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 23:02:45 +0100 Original-Received: from pool-70-19-101-166.ny325.east.verizon.net ([70.19.101.166]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 23:02:45 +0100 Original-Received: from sean.sieger by pool-70-19-101-166.ny325.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 23:02:45 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 17 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-70-19-101-166.ny325.east.verizon.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:D/Gl9N92Fq/fyzXQdsABOA9C5sc= X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:32510 Archived-At: Tim McNamara writes: On this I am afraid we have irreconcilable differences. You (and David) are over-focused on free software in the abstract sense of freedom. Fine as a principle but it does not increase the freedom of computer users on a daily basis. IMHO where freedom counts is not in the abstract but at the keyboards and mouses and displays of users. If the goal is to promote freedom for computer users and to change the world for the better, then attention must be paid to the useability of free software and removing the obstacles to adoption by the mainstream. If the goal is to carve out some morally superior stance, then by all means carry on as you are. As far as I can tell, that's all the current approach is going to get you. What is not reconcilable is your opinion on a GNU mail list and you are free to express that. Uncanny.