From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance... Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 02:46:00 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87r6ku1bx7.fsf@jurta.org> References: <87sl5n5yem.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87fy1nbe4f.fsf@jurta.org> <86myvu2zw1.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <20070912093913.GB12104@saeurebad.de> <87wsuum8qw.fsf@jurta.org> <85abrn9ini.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85d4wh3kf9.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <851wcw1qht.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1190246434 15833 80.91.229.12 (20 Sep 2007 00:00:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:00:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 20 02:00:33 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IY9T1-0006Qo-R0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 02:00:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IY9T0-0006JD-3W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:00:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IY9SZ-00066v-2P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:59:59 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IY9SX-00066L-EP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:59:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IY9SX-00066G-8Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:59:57 -0400 Original-Received: from relay02.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.197]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IY9SS-0006EZ-CC; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:59:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay02.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IY9SI-000Mbu-4C; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 02:59:50 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed\, 19 Sep 2007 11\:49\:29 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Scanner-Signature: 7b1a4900bea4ee3727a65c989d5962bc X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Not Detected X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 1496 [September 19 2007] X-SpamTest-Info: helo_type=3 X-SpamTest-Info: {HEADERS: header Content-Type found without required header Content-Transfer-Encoding} X-SpamTest-Method: none X-SpamTest-Rate: 25 X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: not_detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0255], KAS30/Release X-Detected-Kernel: FreeBSD 4.8-5.1 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:79338 Archived-At: > My mind is made up that we must arrange that beginners who always > specify a file name argument mostly do see the splash screen > information. I'm willing to consider other ways of doing that > as long as I think they are effective. The least obtrusive way to show the important information for beginners is using the echo area message. It is quite reliable channel if we take precautions against overriding it with other messages (e.g. displaying it at the final stage of startup). A large message, as Kim suggested, can't go unnoticed. And clicking on it would display the full startup screen. > At least, with "emacs -nw" (as the crontab thing is called), it seems > counter productive to show the splash screen, in my opinion. > > I expect beginners mainly use window systems, so showing the splash > screen in the tty case is not so important. Thus, I don't mind if we > don't show the splash screen when starting Emacs with file name > arguments on a tty. In this case it would be better to display a different startup echo area message when starting Emacs with file name arguments on a tty. Instead of For information about the GNU system and GNU/Linux, type C-h C-p. display For information about Emacs and the GNU Project, type C-h C-a. as David suggested, because the About screen provides more additional information than C-h C-p (and it includes a reference to the C-h C-p info about the GNU project). -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/