From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why Emacs needs a modern bug tracker Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 10:23:32 +0900 Message-ID: <87r6gxoyjv.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <20080104164454.0A4BD830697@snark.thyrsus.com> <20080104232514.GB2735@muc.de> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199496238 21366 80.91.229.12 (5 Jan 2008 01:23:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 01:23:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 05 02:24:17 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JAxlh-0002AT-QU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 02:24:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JAxlL-0000wx-8H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:23:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JAxlH-0000wk-CP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:23:43 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JAxlF-0000wH-UB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:23:43 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JAxlF-0000wE-OE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:23:41 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp02.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.72]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JAxlB-0004pC-QE; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:23:38 -0500 Original-Received: from 203-216-100-219.dsl.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.100.219] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp02.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1JAxl8-0000v2-TC; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 10:23:34 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 804B12FF7; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 10:23:33 +0900 (JST) System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: (=?utf-8?Q?=22=C3=93scar?= Fuentes"'s message of "Sat, 05 Jan 2008 01:44:16 +0100") Original-Lines: 24 X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86098 Archived-At: =C3=93scar Fuentes writes: >> I've worked many years in industry. Bug databases done badly are worse, >> much worse, than our email archive. > > X done badly is worse than not having X... this is a general > justification for rejecting change, not for rejecting bad ideas. ... > Sure, this is what we can expect from Emacs' corporate culture > . Please be serious. There are no pointy-haired bosses here. Sure, but I think the point is: we pick what works best for us and our users, not what satisfies buzzword-completeness. We surely should reject change, if it's for the worse! [Maybe that sounds obvious, but contemporary corporate culture often does not follow that rule...] I've used low-quality web bug-trackers (e.g. the one on savannah), and IMHO, they're no improvement over the status quo -- they have some advantages, but the disadvantages are also severe. -Miles --=20 `There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.'