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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86478 Archived-At: Miles Bader wrote: >=20 > Useful email support means supporing both submissions, > modifications, and queries via email. Exactly. This is not supported by Savane, so this fact automatically rules out Savannah as a bug tracker for Emacs. I wonder why nobody mentioned GNATS, the GNU Bug Tracking System? =46rom the description: ,---- http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats/ ---- | Thanks to its architecture, GNATS is not bound to a single | user interface =E2=80=93 it can be used via command line, e-mail, Emacs, = or a | network daemon, usually used with a Web interface. Together with the | fact that all GNATS databases and configuration can be stored in plain | text files, it allows easy use and provides good flexibility. | Basically, if the GNATS tools do not provide everything you need, you | can add your own additional utilities using standard GNU tools. `---- There was a running instance once upon a time at bugs.gnu.org, but I don't know what happened. AFAIK the FreeBSD folks use it as a tracker for the whole distribution, so it can't be that bad. I guess that the most reasonable course of action is: Those that promote the idea of a bug tracking system make a research of all available solutions (debbugs, Trac with the email support plugin, GNATS, the GCC Bugzilla, etc.) and prepare a comparison list with advantages/disatvantages, so that Emacs developers can discuss based on it and eventually decide which BTS is the most appropriate one.