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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
To: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
Cc: pj@heslin.eclipse.co.uk, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	claus.klingberg@gmail.com, lennart.borgman@gmail.com,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Fly-spelling with multiple dictionaries
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 04:26:38 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r6dk14sx.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47F69AC3.1010605@gmx.at>

martin rudalics writes:
 >  >  > I use both Ispell and Aspell for some years.  Nevertheless,
 >  >  > it's a sad story of wasted resources.  Ispell, Pspell,
 >  >  > Aspell, Myspell, Hunspell is like Emacs, XEmacs,
 > 
 > Why did you remove the - admittedly poor - pun from my original
 > posting?  The last sentence read as
 > 
 > 	 Ispell, Pspell, Aspell, Myspell, Hunspell is
 > 	 like Emacs, XEmacs, YEmacs, ZEmacs, ...
 > 
 > and YEmacs, ZEmacs, ... do not exist.

Because they don't exist, but SXEmacs and Aquamacs (to mention two
among several) do, and I assume the assorted *spells all do.  I was
unsure of your intent, so I removed the parts that could cause
confusion (at least to me).

 >  > I can't speak to the *spell issue, but there was (and is) no
 >  > alternative to maintaining a fork of Emacs that satisfies the
 >  > technical goals of the XEmacs developers and the Lucid developers
 >  > before them, because some of those technical goals (such as modularity
 >  > in code and in distribution) are unacceptable to GNU.  It's not wasted
 >  > resources, therefore, although the burden imposed on third party
 >  > developers is unfortunate.
 > 
 > You're talking to one of the persons who are convinced that Emacs and
 > XEmacs should (and do) profit from each other.

I'm also one, and therefore object to calling parallel development in
*friendly* competition a waste.  I am sad that the GNU legal
requirements present a barrier to flow of code and to some extent
ideas from XEmacs to Emacs, but again that is a necessary outcome of
the difference in goals.  (The same kind of thing is a feature of GPL
vs. BSD competition, of course.)

 > Agreed - if we were talking about Ispell and Aspell.  Unfortunately,
 > development of these packages merely stalled and the newer ones like
 > Hunspell are hardly useful for Emacs (and XEmacs).

Well, I don't know about that.  Again, the parallel to Emacsen fails.
While we long-time users have our strong preferences, for practical
purposes basic editing tasks are done the same in all the Emacsen.
(Eg, the tutorials are 95% valid across all Emacsen.)

In any case, we should think about what to do about this.  Adapt
Emacsen?  Adapt the new spell-checkers?  Ignore them?

Regards,






  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-04-05 19:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-03  9:47 Fly-spelling with multiple dictionaries Angelo Graziosi
2008-04-03 12:28 ` martin rudalics
2008-04-03 15:32   ` Claus
2008-04-03 15:54     ` martin rudalics
2008-04-03 16:21       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-03 17:23         ` martin rudalics
2008-04-03 17:48           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-03 20:59             ` martin rudalics
2008-04-03 21:13               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-03 21:43                 ` martin rudalics
2008-04-03 22:00                   ` David Reitter
2008-04-04  6:55                     ` martin rudalics
2008-04-04  7:07                       ` David Reitter
2008-04-04  9:47                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-05  7:34                           ` David Reitter
2008-04-05 15:31                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-05 11:06                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-04-05 11:18                           ` David Reitter
2008-04-05 22:28                             ` Richard Stallman
2008-04-04  9:15                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-04 12:19                     ` martin rudalics
2008-04-04 19:36                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-04-04 21:16                         ` martin rudalics
2008-04-05 11:33                           ` Sascha Wilde
2008-04-05 12:13                             ` martin rudalics
2008-04-05 15:34                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-05 16:34                               ` Sascha Wilde
2008-04-05 17:02                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-05 18:06                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-05 21:17                                 ` martin rudalics
2008-04-06 14:41                                   ` Sascha Wilde
2008-04-06 16:47                                     ` hunspell support (was: Fly-spelling with multiple dictionaries) Sascha Wilde
2008-04-07 12:35                                       ` Agustin Martin Domingo
2008-04-08  9:12                                         ` hunspell support Sascha Wilde
2008-04-06 19:09                                     ` Fly-spelling with multiple dictionaries Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-06 20:03                                       ` Sascha Wilde
2008-04-07 12:17                                         ` Agustin Martin Domingo
2008-04-07 12:50                                           ` hunspell support (Was Fly-spelling with multiple dictionaries) Agustin Martin Domingo
2008-04-08  9:16                                             ` hunspell support Sascha Wilde
2008-04-05 19:26                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2008-04-05 22:15                             ` Fly-spelling with multiple dictionaries martin rudalics
2008-04-03 13:13 ` Dan Nicolaescu

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