From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tassilo Horn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: -Q / --no-site-file and site-lisp/ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:03:55 +0200 Message-ID: <87r6an1fhg.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> References: <87tzfs82cx.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <843anb4ui5.fsf@web.de> <87lk13fdco.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <84fxrak2gf.fsf@web.de> <87ej6u5z42.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <84bq1yjz7u.fsf@web.de> <87d4me331y.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <843an9uykr.fsf@web.de> <871w2tmdpq.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <84od5xtdlk.fsf@web.de> <87fxr96vyr.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <84hcbptbzg.fsf@web.de> <87bq1x6umm.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <84d4mdtb97.fsf@web.de> <877icl6t7n.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <848wx0kryt.fsf@web.de> <87prqbcb7f.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <84mylek7ff.fsf@web.de> <87wskghbni.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1214291117 5535 80.91.229.12 (24 Jun 2008 07:05:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:05:17 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 24 09:06:01 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KB2aX-00071V-SO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:05:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44816 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KB2Zi-0002LG-IC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:04:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KB2Zd-0002Jf-3x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:04:17 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KB2Zb-0002HG-Jl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:04:16 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=59014 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KB2Zb-0002H6-F7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:04:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:17361) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KB2Za-00068d-HD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:04:14 -0400 Original-Received: from deliver.uni-koblenz.de ([141.26.64.15]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KB2ZZ-0002ZN-RQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:04:14 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by deliver.uni-koblenz.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1021F78977EE for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:04:13 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from deliver.uni-koblenz.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (deliver.uni-koblenz.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29397-02 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:04:11 +0200 (CEST) X-CHKRCPT: Envelopesender vrfy tassilo@member.fsf.org Original-Received: from thinkpad.tsdh.de (dhcp114.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.71.114]) by deliver.uni-koblenz.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0C478001D6 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:04:11 +0200 (CEST) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Reiner Steib's message of "Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:00:08 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at uni-koblenz.de X-detected-kernel: by mx20.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:99834 Archived-At: Reiner Steib writes: Hi Reiner, >>> .../share/emacs/site-lisp is in the load path, even with `-Q'. One >>> has to keep that in mind. Which I didn't do either. ;) >> >> Hm, wouldn't it be sensible to remove it from `load-path' if -Q was >> given? > > I think so. See > : > > ,---- > | From: Reiner Steib > | Subject: Should -Q / --no-site-file eval `subdirs.el'? > | Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel > | Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 14:15:01 +0200 > | Message-ID: > | > | Hi, > | > | when running `emacs -Q', I was surprised to see site-lisp/*/ in my > | `load-path'. Although the manual (cmdargs.texi [1]) doesn't say > | anything about `subdirs.el' (it's not mentioned in the manual at > | all), I'd expect "minimum customizations"[1] *not* to modify > | `load-path'. E.g. I have some other Gnus version installed in > | site-lisp. I'd expect Gnus 5.11 from Emacs 22 after `M-x gnus RET', > | but I get the version from site-lisp. > `---- > > Richard replied: > > ,---- > | From: Richard Stallman > | Subject: Re: Should -Q / --no-site-file eval `subdirs.el'? > | Date: 2007-08-05 20:54:34 GMT > | > | I think it should load subdirs.el. Hiding the packages available on > | your site is not the purpose. > `---- Well, if that's Richard's opinion, that's fine. But there should be some option (i.e. --vanilla, -V) which is like -Q and does not load any external packages. We always say "give a recipe starting with emacs -Q", but that's not sufficient if the bug is in some external package in site-lisp/. Bye, Tassilo