Re: -Q / --no-site-file and site-lisp/

[Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org>]

Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:

Hi Reiner,

>>> .../share/emacs/site-lisp is in the load path, even with `-Q'. One
>>> has to keep that in mind. Which I didn't do either. ;)
>>
>> Hm, wouldn't it be sensible to remove it from `load-path' if -Q was
>> given?
>
> I think so.  See
> <http://thread.gmane.org/v9lkcq9nzu.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de>:
>
> ,----
> | From: Reiner Steib
> | Subject: Should -Q / --no-site-file eval `subdirs.el'?
> | Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel
> | Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 14:15:01 +0200
> | Message-ID: <v9lkcq9nzu.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de>
> |
> | Hi,
> |
> | when running `emacs -Q', I was surprised to see site-lisp/*/ in my
> | `load-path'.  Although the manual (cmdargs.texi [1]) doesn't say
> | anything about `subdirs.el' (it's not mentioned in the manual at
> | all), I'd expect "minimum customizations"[1] *not* to modify
> | `load-path'.  E.g. I have some other Gnus version installed in
> | site-lisp.  I'd expect Gnus 5.11 from Emacs 22 after `M-x gnus RET',
> | but I get the version from site-lisp.
> `----
>
> Richard replied:
>
> ,----
> | From: Richard Stallman
> | Subject: Re: Should -Q / --no-site-file eval `subdirs.el'?
> | Date: 2007-08-05 20:54:34 GMT
> | 
> | I think it should load subdirs.el.  Hiding the packages available on
> | your site is not the purpose.
> `----

Well, if that's Richard's opinion, that's fine.  But there should be
some option (i.e. --vanilla, -V) which is like -Q and does not load any
external packages.

We always say "give a recipe starting with emacs -Q", but that's not
sufficient if the bug is in some external package in site-lisp/.

Bye,
Tassilo