From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Johannes Weiner Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:29:45 +0200 Message-ID: <87r69k6jti.fsf@saeurebad.de> References: <36366a980807101702r5677d096g8e62ef5b3e278868@mail.gmail.com> <20080714195651.GF3445@muc.de> <487C5FA3.4070603@emf.net> <87zloggji9.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878wvxxkn6.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ej5oz4pb.fsf@saeurebad.de> <87vdyzxype.fsf@saeurebad.de> <871w1njq32.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87iquzxgtk.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884CFEF.8040404@gmail.com> <87ej5nxew2.fsf@saeurebad.de> <87wsje37rg.fsf@saeurebad.de> <871w1li7xy.fsf@saeurebad.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216870238 8253 80.91.229.12 (24 Jul 2008 03:30:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:30:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 24 05:31:26 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLrY2-0000z3-Jr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:31:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38011 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLrX8-0003jg-W2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:30:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLrX3-0003j0-Lw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:30:21 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLrX2-0003il-Lg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:30:21 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=44409 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLrX2-0003ii-GM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:30:20 -0400 Original-Received: from saeurebad.de ([85.214.36.134]:37197) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLrWu-0001Xu-9G; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:30:12 -0400 Original-Received: by saeurebad.de (Postfix, from userid 107) id A9BC02F0048; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:30:10 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (83-221-69-159.dynamic.primacom.net [83.221.69.159]) by saeurebad.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A142F0006; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:30:10 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:44:32 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.1.3 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101365 Archived-At: Hi, Stefan Monnier writes: >> Quoting wikipedia: > >> An operating system (commonly abbreviated OS and O/S) is the software >> component of a computer system that is responsible for the management >> and coordination of activities and the sharing of the resources of the >> computer. The operating system acts as a host for application programs >> that are run on the machine. > > That's sufficiently vague to mean either a kernel or a whole OS. > E.g. X11 would probably fall into this description, as would a DNS > caching proxy, the /sbin/init program, or even gdm, network-manager, > gnome-power-manager, nfsd, ... Well, the most fundamental resource-manager and application host on a computer is the kernel. I am sorry if that was unclear. >> So when I said `fully-functioning operating system' I did not mention >> userspace at all. > > In most circumstances, nowadays, a kernel is a very far cry from > a "fully functioning operating system". The Linux kernel is no > exception here. I don't know how I respond to that as you said you wouldn't understand the term `operating system' being a kernel only. If you meant it as being a whole system including userspace, than it's surely not a complete operating system. If you meant it as being a kernel, then what's missing? Hannes