From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:10:00 +0900 Message-ID: <87r68ch0x3.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <48A5BAD7.8030302@emf.net> <48A740CB.4050404@emf.net> <20080816213508.GA8530@muc.de> <87hc9ka8eg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080817073124.GA1294@muc.de> <87ljyv5gy5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080818101802.GA2615@muc.de> <87bpzqqk7b.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080818210927.GD2615@muc.de> <87wsidnxqp.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87ljytkwpk.fsf@rattlesnake.com> <878wusz0v9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87vdxp27z6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87prnxe5hc.fsf@rattlesnake.com> <873aktck5d.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k5e5dsvq.fsf@rattlesnake.com> <48B2E7B1.2000502@emf.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1219723782 2850 80.91.229.12 (26 Aug 2008 04:09:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:09:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Robert J. Chassell" , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Thomas Lord Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 26 06:10:35 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KXpt5-0000uY-Bt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:10:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60461 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KXps7-0005mC-AV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:09:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KXps3-0005l9-EE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:09:31 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KXps1-0005jl-R5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:09:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45518 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KXps1-0005je-Nb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:09:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.223]:54316) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KXps1-0007xj-GG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:09:29 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84D41535A8; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:09:24 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 442321A25C3; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:10:01 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <48B2E7B1.2000502@emf.net> X-Mailer: VM ?bug? under XEmacs 21.5.21 (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102973 Archived-At: Thomas Lord writes: > First a philosophically dubious distinction between > individual and community freedom is posited. This was Bob Chassell. That was *all* he really had to say. > Then that questionable distinction is projected onto > people's moral standing: we are asked to believe that > there are those who care only about individual > freedom, not community, and asked to accept that > those people are just morally wrong. This was Alan Mackenzie, but I don't think he would accept the idea of community freedom as opposed to freedom for all members of the community. So not only have you changed the slant of their comments dramatically, but you have also conflated two subthreads whose relation is not at all clear, and which certainly do not stem from a coherent single worldview, but rather accidentally juxtaposed opinions of different individuals. We (all) can and should do better than this. > What Bob and others seem to have constructed > here is an argument for the dynamic loader ban > that can be summed up: [as an ad hominem attack.] I don't see it, either. I was certainly offended by Alan's comments about ignoring the needs of some people in the community, but I don't see it as a deliberate attack.