From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Rename `mini-' options Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 16:13:03 +0900 Message-ID: <87r5yp7c74.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <26694.128.165.0.81.1242438439.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <002f01c9d5cb$9fd36b00$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <003001c9d5ce$a044ea20$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <873ab5fsyu.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1242458027 9656 80.91.229.12 (16 May 2009 07:13:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 07:13:47 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 16 09:13:41 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M5E5U-00018D-ER for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 09:13:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35326 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M5E5T-0004EM-Br for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 03:13:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M5E5O-0004EH-Vo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 03:13:35 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M5E5K-0004DA-Gx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 03:13:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33723 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M5E5K-0004Ci-8g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 03:13:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:8291) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M5E5J-0005El-T8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 03:13:30 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M5E5I-0001gO-MB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 03:13:28 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1M5E5D-0006zc-NL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 07:13:23 +0000 Original-Received: from 218.231.109.29.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.231.109.29]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 16 May 2009 07:13:23 +0000 Original-Received: from miles by 218.231.109.29.eo.eaccess.ne.jp with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 16 May 2009 07:13:23 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 35 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 218.231.109.29.eo.eaccess.ne.jp System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Cancel-Lock: sha1:dow+ZkIPobVl1NkAN65y/UqrMiE= X-Detected-Operating-System: by mx20.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:110917 Archived-At: "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > the name of the window in question is "minibuffer window". Er, except that it's not. For better or worse, Emacs traditionally distinguishes "the minibuffer" from "the echo area", and resize-mini-windows applies to both. So a name which captures this subtlety is arguably better than one which lies a bit for the sake of convenient document searching. > Drew is right. It is inconsistent with existing practice, and > confuses something that is already rife with possibilities for > confusion. The variable in question _is_ existing practice -- it was introduced almost a decade ago, in Emacs 21. > There is precedent in the 3d-party resize-minibuffer mode, where the > following names already exist: That (long obsolete) mode does something _different_ than resize-mini-windows: it only applies to the minibuffer. Thus even if referring to "minibuffer-window" makes sense for that mode, that doesn't mean it makes sense for Emacs' builtin behavior. [I suppose you could argue against the "echo area"/"minibuffer" split, and say we should just refer to them both as "the minibuffer" (or whatever), but that's a different argument (and certainly not something that should happen right now, as it's a big change).] -Miles -- Education, n. That which discloses to the wise and disguises from the foolish their lack of understanding.