From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX. Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:27:36 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87r5nlu0br.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <87ocitw2dl.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87mxy9zzoq.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <87zl29u7d7.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <0in177-51i.ln1@news.eternal-september.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1268663289 30524 80.91.229.12 (15 Mar 2010 14:28:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:28:09 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 15 15:28:02 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NrBGy-0000sI-C3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:28:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32888 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NrBGx-0002jm-Lq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:27:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NrBGp-0002hY-N4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:27:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=60710 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NrBGn-0002gK-Ja for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:27:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NrBGl-0002if-PU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:27:49 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:44177) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NrBGl-0002iX-GV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:27:47 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NrBGk-0000mK-AT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:27:46 +0100 Original-Received: from p5b2c2408.dip.t-dialin.net ([91.44.36.8]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:27:46 +0100 Original-Received: from dak by p5b2c2408.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:27:46 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 22 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p5b2c2408.dip.t-dialin.net X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.92 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:S7XRFeI6A6CYzWDywrIJRmxYDnE= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122001 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman writes: > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Stefan Monnier > wrote: >> >> PS: This discussion can only be religious, because there really is no >> rational reason to prefer one over the other. > > > There is a lot of rational reasons, but they are small. Not much to > discuss. IMO that means that following the normal conventions is > probably the best. So can we please have the default on the left for Athena style widgets with proportional scrolling, as the left _is_ the _normal_ convention for applications using them? The current state, installed without previous discussion, places the scrollbar _against_ normal conventions for those widgets. -- David Kastrup