From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: line-move-visual Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:30:29 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87r5k8ve16.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <089883ee-0a63-4cb4-a0ec-d2fe4e71cc03@y18g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <87wruco5yq.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87wrubfd8p.fsf@rapttech.com.au> <848w6ndwn0.fsf@cs.bham.ac.uk> <87d3vx5cku.fsf@gmail.com> <87bpbcrdk5.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291834566 25883 80.91.229.12 (8 Dec 2010 18:56:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 18:56:06 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 08 19:56:02 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQPBI-0001EY-Pt for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 19:56:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55915 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQPBI-0008Em-6a for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 13:56:00 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed-0.progon.net!progon.net!feeder3.cambriumusenet.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!87.79.20.105.MISMATCH!news.netcologne.de!ramfeed1.netcologne.de!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsspool2.arcor-online.net!news.arcor.de.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs,comp.lang.lisp X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ErwCpZfbGFEisO3VU4CLKYVQibk= Original-Lines: 33 Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2010 11:30:32 CEST Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: dddd276d.newsspool3.arcor-online.net Original-X-Trace: DXC=E\D>T8k9e::L2C_`koXfC5McF=Q^Z^V384Fo<]lROoR18kFXd>Rm51_LiI6ENVa=3>5MOK` Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@arcor.de Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:178953 comp.emacs:100045 comp.lang.lisp:289188 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:75835 Archived-At: Uday S Reddy writes: > The question is really whether it should have been made the default. > > Every time I narrowed down to that issue in this thread, the > participants have fallen silent (first Xah Lee then Tim Cross, Alan > Mackenzie and Stefan himself). I guess there is no good answer to it. There is no simple answer. And there is no point in working on the aspects of a complex answer where it is not relevant. The relevant place is the developer list. > There is no need for us to beat a dead horse. If the developers > accept that it is a bad idea to introduce backward-incompatible > changes for flimsy reasons, Emacs will be a more useful system for all > of us than it currently is. That's beating a dead horse, and an imaginary one as well. > Fortunately, nothing major is going to fall apart as a result of > next-line' changing its meaning. But I hope that we can arrest this > trend right here so that we don't have to put up with more pain in > future. You are not going to stop development of Emacs single-handedly, and you will not be "arresting" any trend without working with developers when the design decisions are being discussed and made. Venting may be fun, but it will not change things. -- David Kastrup