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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: Uday S Reddy <u.s.reddy@cs.bham.ac.uk>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: The copyright issue
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 21:15:26 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r5idqmqp.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <19546.32875.515000.117266@gargle.gargle.HOWL>

Uday S Reddy writes:

 > But it seems that the FSF copyright policy has become a bugbear, which
 > might not have been the original intention.

The effects that the policy has were the original intention, at least
in some sense.

 > The current situation is highly asymmetric.  Anybody, including a
 > private corporation, can use the FSF codebase to develop their
 > variants,

Yes.  That's called "software freedom", and this effect was intended
for sure.

 > but Gnu Emacs can't use their enhancements to enrich itself.

Enrichment is not the goal here.  Software freedom is.  In cases where
GNU Emacs refuses code because it doesn't own it, that's a deliberate
choice made in the interest of software freedom.

 > So, Gnu ends up lagging behind and, perhaps in cases like Aquamacs,
 > not even being able to enter the territory.

Aquamacs has no legal problems AFAIK, and for all I know David has
already assigned that code to the FSF.  (The point is the
*possibility*, not whether he's actually done so.)  GNU just doesn't
want that code in Emacs until the corresponding features are available
on free systems.

 > Can't we find a way out of this dilemma?

A way out of most of the "dilemma" has existed for 15 years.  Today it
is called XEmacs, and there are other alternative paths as well.  Most
of the people here simply don't find those roads acceptable.

In other words, "Problem?  What problem?"

And-I-I-took-the-one-less-traveled-by-ly y'rs,




  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-05 12:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-05  9:12 The copyright issue (Was: Key bindings proposal) Uday S Reddy
2010-08-05 12:15 ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2010-08-05 16:23 ` The copyright issue Randal L. Schwartz
2010-08-05 18:51   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-08-06  2:48     ` Miles Bader
2010-08-06 13:05       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-09 17:19       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-08-09 22:53         ` Miles Bader
2010-08-09 23:19           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-08-06 10:34     ` Adrian Robert
2010-08-05 16:40 ` David Kastrup
2010-08-06  8:12 ` The copyright issue (Was: Key bindings proposal) Richard Stallman
2010-08-06  9:39   ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-06 15:36     ` Fren Zeee
2010-08-06 16:45       ` Bug on calendar (was: The copyright issue) Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-07  3:57     ` The copyright issue (Was: Key bindings proposal) Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-07  4:04     ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-06  8:37 ` Stuart Hacking
2010-08-06 10:43   ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-06 11:16     ` The copyright issue David Kastrup
2010-08-06 11:42       ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-06 15:23         ` David Kastrup
2010-08-06 11:25     ` The copyright issue (Was: Key bindings proposal) Deniz Dogan
2010-08-06 12:01       ` Andreas Röhler
2010-08-13 15:52         ` The copyright issue Walter Alejandro Iglesias
2010-08-13 23:33           ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-14  2:35             ` Walter Alejandro Iglesias
2010-08-14  8:03               ` David Kastrup
2010-08-14 10:01                 ` Walter Alejandro Iglesias
2010-08-14 10:12                   ` David Kastrup
2010-08-14 10:58                     ` Walter Alejandro Iglesias
2010-08-14 16:30                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2010-08-16  5:59                         ` Andreas Röhler
2010-08-16  7:07                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2010-08-16 18:22                             ` Andreas Röhler
2010-08-16  8:43                           ` Walter Alejandro Iglesias
2010-08-06 17:32       ` Bastien
2010-08-08 16:31     ` The copyright issue (Was: Key bindings proposal) Bernardo Barros
2010-08-09 10:00       ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-09 10:15         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-09 13:50           ` The copyright issue David Kastrup
2010-08-09 15:30             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-09 16:58             ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-09 22:49               ` Miles Bader
2010-08-09 23:57                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-10  1:06                   ` Miles Bader
2010-08-10  2:41                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-10  7:53                 ` David Kastrup
2010-08-06 13:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-06 16:39   ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-07  7:33     ` David Kastrup
2010-08-07 19:09     ` rogers-emacs
2010-08-07 20:31       ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-07 23:52         ` rogers-emacs
2010-08-09  6:40           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-09  8:28             ` David Kastrup
2010-08-09  9:21               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-10 13:58                 ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-11  4:02                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-12  1:07                     ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-09 10:01           ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-09 11:42             ` Andreas Röhler
2010-08-09 13:06               ` David Kastrup
2010-08-09 14:28                 ` Andreas Röhler
2010-08-09 16:16                   ` David Kastrup
2010-08-09 17:07                     ` Andreas Röhler
2010-08-10  7:50                       ` David Kastrup
2010-08-10  8:28                         ` Andreas Röhler
2010-08-09 20:41                     ` Fren Zeee
2010-08-10  4:44               ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-10  8:04                 ` David Kastrup
2010-08-10  9:04                   ` Andreas Röhler

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