From: Thierry Volpiatto <thierry.volpiatto@gmail.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Selection changes in revno 100822
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 09:22:44 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r5i02vcr.fsf@tux.homenetwork> (raw)
In-Reply-To: E1OkWHv-0001qS-Gt@fencepost.gnu.org
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
>> Cc: <jan.h.d@swipnet.se>, <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
>> "'David De La Harpe Golden'" <david@harpegolden.net>
>> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 21:48:50 -0700
>>
>> You don't say here whether selecting using the mouse copies to the
>> kill-ring.
>
> Since the default value of mouse-drag-copy-region is now nil, it
> doesn't by default.
>
>> And you don't say whether C-y after selecting with the mouse yanks what was
>> selected.
>
> No, it doesn't yank, for the same reason (I think).
>
>> > if you mark a region with C-SPC and do C-w, you won't be able
>> > to paste the text in with mouse-2, unlike earlier Emacs versions.
>>
>> My primary concern right now (because it is what I use most now) is the behavior
>> on Windows, but I do care also about the behavior on other platforms.
>>
>> And I'm curious. What is the rationale for such behavior (C-w followed by
>> mouse-2 will prevent it from yanking what was killed)?
>
> Apparently, the GUI recommendations on X are now that the primary
> selection is used only in conjunction with the mouse, while the
> clipboard is used only in conjunction with keyboard cut/paste (C-c,
> C-v, etc.). IOW, mouse selection and mouse-2 style copy/paste is no
> longer regarded as _the_ copy/cat-n-paste operations, only the
> keyboard ops are.
>
> See David's mail a few hours ago in this thread.
>
>> Apparently C-SPC plus motion to select, followed by mouse-2, does
>> yank what was selected (good)
>
> Since C-SPC+motion selects the text, and selected text is "yank"able
> with mouse-2, yes.
>
>> but if you use C-w (or M-w, for that matter) before clicking
>> mouse-2 then nothing is yanked (bad).
>
> If the text was selected with the mouse (or any other way that
> activates the mark) prior to C-w, then you can still "yank" with
> mouse-2, by virtue of that selection. So this is still "good" in most
> use-cases.
>
>> I really don't understand what is going on (why). Is this all just about
>> limiting Emacs to make it more like other apps on X?
>
> That's my current understanding, yes. "User expectations" and all
> that.
>
>> AFAICS we haven't yet gotten a simple description of the proposed changes, in
>> terms of how they will affect users: use cases, pros & cons, what will change
>> and why.
>
> David's mail comes close, except that Emacs currently does not behave
> 100% according to what he describes:
>
> clipboards aren't overwritten when you merely select text.
> clipboards are overwritten when you cut/copy (C-x/C-c)
> clipboards are not inserted when you click mouse-2.
> clipboards are inserted when you paste (C-v)
> primary selections are overwritten when you merely select text.
> primary selections are not overwritten when you cut/copy (C-x/C-c)
> (but they've probably already just been overwritten because you
> selected text just before you cut/copied).
> primary selections are inserted when you click mouse-2.
> primary selections are not inserted when you paste (C-v)
What is described here seem to be with CUA mode activated (C-x/C-c/C-v)
isn't it? :-(
So can you describe what yank/kill with defaults setting is actually
supposed to do?
--
Thierry Volpiatto
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2010-08-13 17:05 Selection changes in revno 100822 Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-14 1:08 ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-14 8:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-14 8:24 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-14 9:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-14 12:16 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-14 12:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-14 12:35 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-14 13:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-14 13:23 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-14 13:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-14 13:32 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-14 13:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-16 0:55 ` Kenichi Handa
2010-08-14 9:46 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-14 11:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-14 13:54 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-14 14:31 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-14 15:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-14 17:21 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-14 19:04 ` Drew Adams
2010-08-14 22:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-14 22:33 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-14 22:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-14 23:42 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-15 2:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 19:16 ` James Cloos
2010-08-15 13:52 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-15 15:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 17:36 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-15 17:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 17:48 ` Drew Adams
2010-08-15 18:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 19:29 ` Drew Adams
2010-08-15 20:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 23:01 ` Drew Adams
2010-08-16 3:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-16 3:42 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-16 5:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-16 6:10 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-16 8:11 ` Manoj Srivastava
2010-08-16 8:25 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-16 9:31 ` Manoj Srivastava
2010-08-16 9:50 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-16 11:27 ` David Kastrup
2010-08-16 11:38 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-14 22:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-14 17:39 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-14 21:52 ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-14 22:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 1:11 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-15 2:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 15:05 ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-15 15:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-16 2:35 ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-16 2:50 ` David Kastrup
2010-08-16 3:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-16 7:07 ` David Kastrup
2010-08-16 8:57 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-16 9:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-16 9:28 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-16 6:53 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-16 7:09 ` David Kastrup
2010-08-16 8:52 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-15 4:48 ` Drew Adams
2010-08-15 5:31 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-15 6:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 14:04 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-15 15:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 17:27 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-15 17:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 19:50 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-15 20:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 20:40 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-15 21:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 21:42 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-15 22:55 ` Drew Adams
2010-08-16 3:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 16:57 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-15 19:19 ` James Cloos
2010-08-16 11:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-15 4:48 ` Drew Adams
2010-08-15 6:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 7:19 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-15 8:26 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-15 9:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 10:25 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-15 12:48 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-15 7:22 ` Thierry Volpiatto [this message]
2010-08-15 9:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-16 11:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-16 11:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-16 13:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-16 19:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-16 22:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-17 2:43 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-17 7:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-17 2:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-17 15:12 ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-17 15:39 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-17 16:10 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-17 16:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-17 16:50 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-17 18:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-17 21:07 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-17 21:35 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-18 2:12 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-18 22:28 ` James Cloos
2010-08-14 12:28 ` Johan Bockgård
2010-08-14 12:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-14 15:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-14 18:49 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-14 18:54 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-14 22:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-14 22:39 ` David De La Harpe Golden
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