From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tim X Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Alternatives to Gnus Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 19:51:34 +1000 Organization: Unlimited download news at news.astraweb.com Message-ID: <87r5hcpj6h.fsf@puma.rapttech.com.au> References: <049fd34b-8437-477a-bd95-ffbb8b80d787@m1g2000yqo.googlegroups.com> <87zkw1p036.fsf@puma.rapttech.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291889725 25919 80.91.229.12 (9 Dec 2010 10:15:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 10:15:25 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 09 11:15:18 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQdWv-0000Yq-TQ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 11:15:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41067 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQWfK-00043U-58 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 21:55:30 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!news2.euro.net!feeder.news-service.com!feed.xsnews.nl!border-1.ams.xsnews.nl!news.astraweb.com!border3.a.newsrouter.astraweb.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:2CfiWN0++uE658lKnNsfIDZRpGE= Original-Lines: 84 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 74b6f0e6.news.astraweb.com Original-X-Trace: DXC=YY0Hb`TTCVD0O6dPiicVTIL?0kYOcDh@Ji=VFiPm?<[EWJD>Y; 6f[^AM`oGmakcnoA6d0dQEAV[AH Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:181071 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:76947 Archived-At: Francis Moreau writes: > On Sep 2, 12:31 am, Tim X wrote: >> Francis Moreau writes: >> > Could the emacs users give me some alternatives ? >> >> I'm not convinced that there are any huge advantages in having the same >> program to both read/send/manage email and read/send/manage news. > > Well a common interface: less key bindings, one config file etc... IMO the common interface is emacs and the common configuration file is .emacs My point re: advantages is that the similarity between news and mail is really only surface deep. How I want to manage the messages, the type of filtering I do, where things are stored etc are quite different. I've found it rare that one program does both well - you tend to either have news being forced into a mail type paradigm or mail being forced into a news type one. I prefer the right tool for the right job. Gnus was written primarily as an nntp client and mail was (I think) a secondary goal. Mew appears to be primarily a mail user agent with nntp as a secondary goal. > >> I use >> gnus for newsgroups and think its really good at that. I tried it for > > I don't agree obviously. > >> mail, but to be honest, found it less so. I therefore use VM and Mew for >> reading mail. > > Why are you using both of them ? > Because I am on the VM development team. Sometimes, while fixing bugs or adding features, my copy of VM may not be stable, but I need to maintain a stable environment. I also like to have another mail reader available for comparison purposes. >> >> Mew also supports reading news, but I've never used it for that. >> > > I took a quick look at its documentation and I haven't seen any news > reading support. > > Is it well supported in Mew or is it something like using gnus for > emails ? as I said, I've never used it for news, so I cannot say. Tim > >> I am a member of the VM developer team. VM is an excellent mail reader >> with a lot of power/flexibility, which has been around for a long time. >> After it's original developer moved on to other things, it did languish >> a bit. However, since last year, a number of people have been working on >> it to update it and integrate many of the add on features that have been >> contributed by various people. Development is very active and a number >> of enhancements have been added over the last few months, including >> improved imap integration, better threading, performance improvements >> for large mail files, thunderbird support and many other improvements. > > Ok that sounds interesting but it leaves the question about the news > reader open. > >> There is still a lot to be done, but if your after a stable mail reader >> which is under actie development with people who will respond to >> questions and bug reports etc, it is worth looking at. We would >> appreciate having more users who run under the console rather than GUI. >> > > That's definitively a good point, and it one of the main reasons I'm > leaving gnus. I often felt lonely when I was hit by the numerous > issues I had with Gnus. > > Thanks -- tcross (at) rapttech dot com dot au