From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eric Schulte" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: elpa.gnu.org repository sync with Emacs Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:32:13 -0700 Message-ID: <87r5elqab6.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87mxpabjj3.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <8762vyz5rl.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <8739r2z1w8.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87y68t8jif.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <87r5eljosw.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87fwv1rukn.fsf@gmail.com> <87tyjh3xgo.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1289939550 12709 80.91.229.12 (16 Nov 2010 20:32:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:32:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ted Zlatanov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 16 21:32:26 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PISCX-0008An-Ps for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:32:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42219 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PISCX-0001dk-2n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:32:25 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=46903 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PISCS-0001dQ-Tu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:32:22 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PISCP-0005VZ-6R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:32:20 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-px0-f169.google.com ([209.85.212.169]:37186) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PISCP-0005VT-0d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:32:17 -0500 Original-Received: by pxi12 with SMTP id 12so447993pxi.0 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:32:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:cc:subject:references :date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=CRij8MnPWRETJeDCQqvhpaPnFjx8f1yweOo+Kx4deSQ=; b=b4cOGsAUsDVncvgx2qpv8tM1tqNZGJik38UicCEz4ZH17/IIOD7PplD2HFrLTDe8lw QfPQcgEOyIS2P2ldBy2LPrcPI/edsVhkoS/f3DAfSv1H5eTK2EwNbB+XbxI4XdE6/6wA +a01MlsdV1R2GlX/2K5VK+8Wh1FGlKVSom3IQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=Krd6LHZSm2dGKTdgSbyT5W7SvmlTFYslnmVivk8yAOpiCGs3oRR0B8/D0CpkWU6IHC 0CauByzHCMR8dsOOVsOb4zwLubN7Y7fRadjX1lTYt6BhpZsbcIecGJtFtYw01TLwcyrN Ts6KvFE44Zr1nFTrsLW8DIcLzDJMF+Cdb81FE= Original-Received: by 10.142.200.6 with SMTP id x6mr6615895wff.351.1289939536147; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:32:16 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from roll (adaptive.cs.unm.edu [64.106.21.179]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y42sm1803608wfd.22.2010.11.16.12.32.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:32:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87tyjh3xgo.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:00:39 -0600") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:132754 Archived-At: Hi Ted, Thanks for the thorough reply, this clears everything up. Best -- Eric Ted Zlatanov writes: > On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:29:12 -0700 "Eric Schulte" > wrote: > > ES> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: >>> >>> But since the FSF-copyright assignment regime would still apply to >>> ELPA, we'd wouldn't be able to accept big packages like auctex anyway? > > ES> If this is true and ELPA has the same strict copyright restrictions as > ES> the Emacs core, then IMO we're losing a significant portion of the > ES> benefit of ELPA. > > It's *not* ELPA, it's elpa.gnu.org. Tom Tromey runs ELPA. I make the > distinction again because it matters: > > ES> There are many packages which will never secure sufficient copyright > ES> permissions to be included into Emacs. Such packages were previously > ES> available through ELPA. Where can these packages live now? > > Tom Tromey's ELPA (http://tromey.com/elpa/) will not go away. You can > also host your own ELPA-style package repository. All you need is a web > site with a package directory. > > The only thing that makes elpa.gnu.org special is that some of the > package repositories it hosts will be enabled by default with Emacs 24. > But this requires that elpa.gnu.org only host assigned packages, unlike > Tom Tromey's ELPA. > > ES> Would it make sense to setup a second ELPA repository for non-FSF > ES> software? > > Yes and I suggested it to the Emacs maintainers a while ago, but Tom > Tromey's ELPA may be sufficient (and also see ELL at > http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/sje30/emacs/ell.html and > http://www.emacswiki.org/ElispArea). I think we should concentrate on > getting elpa.gnu.org operational first and then cast a wider net. > > Ted