From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: AUCTeX inclusion [Re: elpa.gnu.org repository sync with Emacs] Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 08:56:05 -0600 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87r5ede7ay.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87mxpabjj3.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <8762vyz5rl.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <8739r2z1w8.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87y68t8jif.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <87r5eljosw.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87aal95el4.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1290437808 28864 80.91.229.12 (22 Nov 2010 14:56:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:56:48 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 22 15:56:44 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PKXox-0004Kc-QT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:56:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35330 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PKXox-00030C-6a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Nov 2010 09:56:43 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=40562 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PKXog-0002vf-0p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Nov 2010 09:56:33 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PKXob-0006k7-2m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Nov 2010 09:56:25 -0500 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:45989) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PKXoa-0006jn-Mc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Nov 2010 09:56:21 -0500 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PKXoZ-00042r-0R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:56:19 +0100 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:56:19 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:56:19 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 25 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:QIy3W2M0elmv3fgW6VUihDXUPtY= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:133008 Archived-At: On Sat, 20 Nov 2010 02:45:30 -0500 Dan Nicolaescu wrote: DN> The advantage of having things included in emacs proper is that one DN> just has to make sure that has the emacs package installed, and DN> everything else works. I really don't think using package.el is any different. Remember I'm advocating to make a local install of the packages in the "elpa" branch as part of the Emacs install from a fresh checkout or in a distro. If we do that, network access is unnecessary but users can still get an updated package if they can contact the elpa.gnu.org server. So if we never release an updated package there's no difference, but if we do have updates then the users don't have to update all of Emacs. DN> These days users work on many machines: work, home, maybe a work DN> laptop, a personal laptop, etc. Having to configure each one of them DN> is not ideal, it's better when things just work by default. DN> AUCTeX is much better that the currently bundled latex/tex modes. It's not hard to add wrappers that will trigger a package install if necessary and will at least check if the version is the latest available. That would come really close to "work by default," probably more so than the current situation. Ted