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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: GnuTLS for W32
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 16:40:34 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r4za3aml.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <739bsoysp.fsf@news.eternal-september.org>

Richard Riley writes:

 > It was quite clear in the context what was meant by "emacs component" :
 > a component which contributes to a working and complete emacs
 > installation.

In context, I don't disagree with that definition.  I merely deny that
GnuTLS is needed for a complete Emacs distribution in that sense from
the point of view of the GNU Emacs project.  I believe that Juanma and
Eli would agree with me that those two points are the main ones,
though we respectfully disagree with each other on many other grounds.

 > I dont want to bicker and be petty but felt Ted was getting a bit
 > of a hard time for merely wanting to make things better for the end
 > user and, more importantly, the new adopter.

But this is not petty, it's fundamental!  Proponents who argue that
distribution of GnuTLS binaries is needed for Windows users are
ignoring a very important distinction: users (new adopters) of the GNU
System (and at lower priority, free OSes in general) vs. users of
non-free OSes and OSes whose attractiveness is based on non-free
software.  Supporting the former is the policy of GNU Emacs;
supporting the latter is not (though of course individual developers
are free to contribute to such support if they like).

I'm not sure that the above even applies to Ted, though.  AIUI, you
misread Ted's main argument, which is that an automatic notification
service for security updates (not necessarily involving distribution
of GnuTLS binaries for Windows users, though it *could* eventually do
so) would be beneficial for (almost) all Emacs users and therefore the
project.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-01-08  7:40 UTC|newest]

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2011-12-31 13:46 ` gnutls for win32 Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-01 11:10   ` Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
2012-01-01 11:50     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-01 14:13       ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-01 16:10         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-01 16:38           ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-01 17:05             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-01 21:17               ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-01 21:28                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-01 21:40                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-01 23:54                   ` GnuTLS for W32 (was: gnutls for win32) Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-02  0:49                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02  1:33                       ` GnuTLS for W32 Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-02  1:44                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02  2:35                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-02  2:57                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02  3:18                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-02  4:02                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 16:16                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-02 17:31                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 17:39                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 18:51                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-02 22:35                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-03  0:48                                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03  6:37                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 14:07                                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 17:21                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 17:48                                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 18:14                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 18:34                                                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 19:38                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 19:48                                                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 20:09                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 20:25                                                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04  6:48                                                             ` Chong Yidong
2012-01-04  8:15                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04  3:45                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-04  5:21                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04  7:03                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-04  8:21                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 11:21                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-04 11:33                                                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-04 11:57                                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2012-01-04 12:06                                                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-04 12:37                                                                           ` David Engster
2012-01-04 18:42                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2012-01-04 18:19                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 13:57                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 14:14                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 15:05                                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-04 15:42                                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 16:29                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-04 17:00                                                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-04 18:48                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05  5:40                                                                                   ` joakim
2012-01-05 15:52                                                                                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 19:21                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 19:45                                                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-04 23:00                                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-05  0:18                                                                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05  2:00                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-05  2:36                                                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05  6:45                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05  6:41                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05  7:04                                                                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2012-01-05 11:58                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 20:37                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-04 20:41                                                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-04 22:12                                                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-04 22:47                                                                                       ` chad
2012-01-04 23:16                                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05  5:36                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05 13:50                                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 14:14                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05 14:50                                                                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 16:19                                                                                                 ` chad
2012-01-05 20:30                                                                                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 23:14                                                                                                     ` chad
2012-01-05 23:32                                                                                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 23:58                                                                                                         ` Richard Riley
2012-01-06  0:05                                                                                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06  7:11                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-06  0:09                                                                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06  1:05                                                                                                           ` chad
2012-01-06  1:13                                                                                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06  1:24                                                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-06  1:48                                                                                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06  2:37                                                                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-06  3:08                                                                                                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06  3:56                                                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-06  4:11                                                                                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06  5:49                                                                                                                           ` chad
2012-01-06  7:12                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-06 12:35                                                                                                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07  2:34                                                                                                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-06 13:39                                                                                                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07  2:31                                                                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-07  3:37                                                                                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-07  9:30                                                                                                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07 13:37                                                                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-07 15:10                                                                                                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07  1:36                                                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-07  1:46                                                                                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07  5:07                                                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-07  1:23                                                                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-05 15:08                                                                                               ` joakim
2012-01-05 15:37                                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-05 17:52                                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 18:29                                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-05 20:06                                                                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-06  3:15                                                                                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-06  3:37                                                                                                         ` chad
2012-01-05 20:38                                                                                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 20:36                                                                                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 20:39                                                                                                     ` Richard Riley
2012-01-05 22:45                                                                                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 22:35                                                                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 22:43                                                                                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 23:28                                                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 23:38                                                                                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 23:55                                                                                                             ` Richard Riley
2012-01-05 23:59                                                                                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06  7:10                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-07  2:03                                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-07  5:40                                                                                                                 ` Richard Riley
2012-01-07 13:35                                                                                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-07 14:51                                                                                                                     ` Richard Riley
2012-01-07 15:12                                                                                                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-08 15:33                                                                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09  1:04                                                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-09 14:26                                                                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 14:26                                                                                                                           ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 15:30                                                                                                                             ` NaCl support for Emacs Stefan Monnier
2012-01-09 16:43                                                                                                                               ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-09 16:59                                                                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 17:48                                                                                                                                   ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-09 18:17                                                                                                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 18:21                                                                                                                                       ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-10  1:45                                                                                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 16:53                                                                                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 22:23                                                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-10  1:06                                                                                                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10  1:30                                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-10  1:43                                                                                                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10  1:54                                                                                                                                         ` Richard Riley
2012-01-10  2:34                                                                                                                                           ` libnettle for Emacs (was: NaCl support for Emacs) Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10  2:43                                                                                                                                             ` libnettle for Emacs Richard Riley
2012-01-10  3:01                                                                                                                                         ` NaCl support " Daniel Colascione
2012-01-10 11:45                                                                                                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 12:51                                                                                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10  3:21                                                                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-10 11:54                                                                                                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 12:51                                                                                                                                             ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-10 13:49                                                                                                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 16:01                                                                                                                                                 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-10 20:01                                                                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-09 20:48                                                                                                                               ` joakim
2012-01-09 17:09                                                                                                                             ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-09 17:26                                                                                                                               ` NaCl support for Emacs Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 17:29                                                                                                                               ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-10  0:57                                                                                                                               ` NaCl support for Emacs Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-10 10:01                                                                                                                             ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-10 10:46                                                                                                                               ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11  5:09                                                                                                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 10:42                                                                                                                                   ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11 12:26                                                                                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 12:49                                                                                                                                       ` NaCl support for Emacs Harald Hanche-Olsen
2012-01-11 12:59                                                                                                                                         ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11 15:47                                                                                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 15:58                                                                                                                                           ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11 16:33                                                                                                                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 14:07                                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-11 14:23                                                                                                                                       ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11 16:04                                                                                                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 19:40                                                                                                                                   ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Richard Stallman
2012-01-08  7:40                                                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2012-01-08  8:34                                                                                                                     ` GnuTLS for W32 Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-06  0:43                                                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-06  0:59                                                                                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 14:08                                                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-06 14:35                                                                                                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 15:26                                                                                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-06 15:47                                                                                                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 16:50                                                                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-07 10:24                                                                                                                           ` Chong Yidong
2012-01-07 13:14                                                                                                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07 13:28                                                                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-07 21:03                                                                                                                     ` Reiner Steib
2012-01-05  5:24                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 21:23                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 22:34                                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-05  6:34                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05 15:17                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-05 18:11                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 18:10                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 19:42                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 21:31                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 15:15                                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-04 18:09                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 19:39                                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 21:30                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 23:18                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-05  6:44                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03  7:14                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 13:06                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-03 13:37                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-03 14:02                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 15:00                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-03 15:05                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-03 17:29                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 18:10                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03  7:48                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 13:09                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-03 17:06                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 11:02                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-04 12:26                                                 ` joakim
2012-01-04 14:22                                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 18:03                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 14:14                                       ` Jason Rumney
2012-01-02 17:54                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02  8:48                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 10:42                               ` Andreas Schwab
2012-01-02 11:20                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 12:26                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-02 12:41                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 14:03                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2012-01-02 17:34                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02  8:47                     ` GnuTLS for W32 (was: gnutls for win32) Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02  9:47                       ` GnuTLS for W32 Jason Rumney
2012-01-03 19:51                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-01 22:32       ` gnutls for lose32 Richard Stallman
2012-01-02  6:55         ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-02 10:46           ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-02 11:51             ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 13:09               ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-02 13:15                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 13:28                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 19:05                   ` Drew Adams
2012-01-02 16:17                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-02 22:52                 ` Richard Stallman
2012-01-02 19:05               ` Drew Adams
2012-01-02 12:17             ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-02 13:06               ` Carsten Mattner

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