From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jeremiah Dodds Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Issues with emacs Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:24:16 -0400 Message-ID: <87r4t3krun.fsf@friendface.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> References: <87bokbb4zw.fsf@gnu.org> <83086e1d-d66a-4e0c-95a7-92d10a6de7e7@f8g2000pbf.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1340659480 17884 80.91.229.3 (25 Jun 2012 21:24:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:24:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Tom Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 25 23:24:39 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SjGlw-0000de-2A for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:24:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33037 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SjGlv-0002SQ-Tv for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:24:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58061) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SjGlq-0002Ry-12 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:24:31 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SjGlm-0000LL-FA for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:24:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com ([209.85.213.169]:39376) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SjGlm-0000L2-8X for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:24:26 -0400 Original-Received: by yenr5 with SMTP id r5so3970413yen.0 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 14:24:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=4371Ploh5ltAW8pPbDsU76ZDW1SoEQ8GmbIG/zt+eM8=; b=SA2V65VZHzSXSAwGdmgEB8Ow3uuzzMdJmjXLo6OoVfLNzrzEbgqTTWN95bNbZCSglI 0MDKutKyn9mEy6ynhnCgITElqlSb5lDEkYwdIVOk/7e/9UDbX+8cTFpG4QNqsNXgM4E0 cRISdBcsDTVEgIo5su+v4Zouhm+uFaM0p2PPGWMd+cyP3DF/qpEu5pdQr1zTFIarHO8F Bnu7AFRf6X8rIEl32jYNm/OJBOkOTIRyJWkrIkkc3yPBXkdYxFGCkC+yU9JSpk+t8vAQ +j9i9fOqe3pEzwE+AmRE2CNkVDCb1TzWyRHhhBosNRKewQHQ4gROQueLeXo+tOKPBO0t wCEA== Original-Received: by 10.50.181.225 with SMTP id dz1mr9325302igc.2.1340659463874; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 14:24:23 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from friendface (cpe-24-165-217-26.neo.res.rr.com. [24.165.217.26]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z3sm92138igc.7.2012.06.25.14.24.17 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 25 Jun 2012 14:24:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Tom's message of "Mon, 25 Jun 2012 08:57:53 +0000 (UTC)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 209.85.213.169 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:85464 Archived-At: Tom writes: > Helmut Eller gmail.com> writes: >> >> I have my doubts that "kids" will make a better Emacs. IMO good >> programs are usually built by experienced and skilled developers. > > Some of today's kids will be experienced and skilled developers > someday, but they will only use their skill to improve emacs if > they get to like it first as "kids". > I >> To make a >> better Emacs, we would need highly skilled (and probably well paid) >> people. > > I think there are quite a few skilled developers who'd like to > spend their time on hacking Emacs instead of on some boring > business software, only they can't afford it to do it for free. > > That's where crowdfunding could help and I don't think the payment > necessarily has to match what they earn working on a business software, > because if people have a motivation to work on something more > interesting then they often willing to accept lower payment > if they gain more professional satisfication from working > on the more interesting project. I, for one, would gladly work on emacs full time if I was making enough to pay my (frugal) bills from it.