From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: company.el status? Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:37:23 +0900 Message-ID: <87r4j1bdyk.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87ip53yuuv.fsf@yandex.ru> <5138DC2E.3020102@nschum.de> <87k3pj7xfy.fsf@yandex.ru> <5139C8E0.3030503@nschum.de> <87mwudwiw2.fsf@yandex.ru> <83obetx9wn.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1364362664 30814 80.91.229.3 (27 Mar 2013 05:37:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 05:37:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs developers To: Tim Cross Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 27 06:38:10 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UKj3g-0002ZA-LB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 06:38:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40734 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UKj3I-0006L4-NK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 01:37:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37832) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UKj3F-0006Ko-L4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 01:37:34 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UKj3E-0006Vd-Ku for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 01:37:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:44284) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UKj3E-0006V8-Ag for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 01:37:32 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08748970909; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:37:24 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C01311A3D97; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:37:23 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta32) "habanero" b0d40183ac79 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.224 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:158265 Archived-At: Tim Cross writes: > I am very concerned regarding further fracturing of the emacs > ecosystem if that means using a platform which is using non-free > tools. This is a non-issue. Please ignore suggestions that official packages will have a primary host or distribution point other than on gnu.org. It just won't happen. > If we start moving things out to various other locations, Individual developers will of course do so -- after all, that's the whole point of DVCS -- and perhaps whole packages will move to GitHub etc. Nothing new there, and nothing horribly wrong[1] with that -- that's the whole point of free software, that users (including upstream and downstream developers) be free to do what works for them with their code bases. But the official Emacs versions will be distributed from GNU, and their repositories will be hosted at gnu.org. Even the die-hard GitHub fans will come to gnu.org for official versions, and by the nature of DVCS they won't be much inconvenienced, either. The only thing at issue here is choice of DVCS to host the main Emacs repos at Savannah. Footnotes: [1] Of course it's not good that people are attracted to services that aren't free. That attraction is not going to disappear, but even Richard doesn't ostracize developers who use non-free services or even whole non-free platforms. He just wishes they were as free as he is, and advises them so.